First of all, I am alliance side for SOM. Over the last month I’ve watched as AV q’s went from 30 minutes to 1 hour, all as a result of Cave Farming and recapping Stonehearth GY. I don’t blame the Horde for not wanting to que up anymore. I doubt there is much blizzard can do about stonehearth recapping, but strongly suggest blackballing players who act like “Jerks” in AV.
Thats a pretty short queue compared to what it used to be back in the old Vanilla. You can go and play open world stuff while you wait.
And there is nothing they can do.
That isn’t the point. The point is blizzard needs to bring its self centered population in line. How long q’s were 17 years ago isn’t part of the discussion either. What is being discussed here is what has happened to AV over the last few weeks and how ridiculously selfish a lot of Alliance players are. While most the team is completing objectives we’re carrying useless people. Who decides who is privileged enough to get to cave farm?
Hey it wasnt the Alliance who spawn camped the other faction and refused to let them ring the Scarab Gong on multiple servers…yea that was only Horde that did that. I’d call that pretty selfish. And if you are grinding out R14 best place to do it is AB.
In Classic and in retail there really is no reason for you to do AV if you do not like it as you can now get more HKs in IOC by a longshot.
I agree the Horde has and is guilty of AB GY farming. The retail fix for pvp would solve that problem.
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They need to bring back the back door to the alliance base. Every change they made to AV was in favor of Alliance. That was dumb.
Your claims are irrelevant because those same Horde players are playing Alliance now.
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Man I remember Horde players talking about this for the last 2 1/2 years and watching Alliance players say that that’s what they deserved for picking that faction.
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Grol’dom Farm 'members.
Good news is, at least on JG, this should start becoming less of an issue. The # of horde that posted to ironforge.pro in the last 14 days has doubled. Horde is getting a population surge. I’m hoping at least JG will reach actual parity and manage to maintain it.
No. I played only Horde original Vanilla and now only play Alliance for classic with zero Horde. Not my fault I do hours upon hours of research to make the perfect macros to link out in a battleground. I moved to ally this time around. Some of my toons have a near 100% win rate on their battleground record. Like my DH for example. Has only played 262 battlegrounds. Has won 254. You do your research about a battleground. make a macro specific for that battleground and link it out to your group and the group follows it, then it is mathematically impossible to beat your team if your entire team follows it. I have toons that have a near 100% RBG win rate and a very high regular battleground win rate in retail.
I do Horde retail. Alliance Classic. I therefor win almost every battleground that I play. Some of my battlegrounds on some of my toons have a 100% win rate with dozens played. You follow a set plan and it is impossible to lose. It is always math that you need to calculate what to get, when to get it and what not to get. I avoid certain bases in my RBGs and let the enemy cap them and keep them. Then we turtle ours. Thats how I won 358 or my 372 rbgs played on my main.
It is studying the fights for hours on end, then practicing your strategy with premades, then finally acting upon your strategy with a set group. Also have a set comp for each battleground when I can. A designated capper, FC, healer all of that. And then you run with the same exact group of people who do the exact same thing every single time with no changing the strategy at all. It does not matter how good you are. You cannot beat that. It is entirely impossible.
Horde used to always lose in Classic BGs back in the day. They are again. Its how the BGs are designed and if you have a good ally leader who knows the fights and they lead using macros to link the strats, then the Horde will lose 100% of every AV or AB they will ever do in Classic.
B-but Will of the Forsaken!
I made this toon in hopes of it being able to go into Classic WoTLK as has been rumored and then I will get the EMFH in its best form and will be super overpowered in PvP as that can stack with a trinket to have back to back escapes and in less time than the CCs will be able to come up in. So yea it is worth a shot. So see? Thats how dedicated I am to PvP. I make toons with YEARS of planning when I make them.
I dont even know what this fabled wotlk human racial is but I hope they allow your seasonal toon to reach the progression server it was made for.
You’re upset that people take BG objectives?
Huh.
The hks in AV also aren’t really worth farming considering how they’re split. Hks in AB are worth far more but you actually have to be able to pvp. How and where I get honor for ranking isn’t the point here. We’re all dealing with the same wait times. The point is blizzard has a small % of the population ruining AV. They need to fix it.
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It used to allow you to get out of 100% of everything and you could use it back to back with a trinket no DR and no shared CC. And it was on a 2 minute cooldown with an instant cast. That why in retail I only play Horde but in the arena tournament I went full ally teams and we were all humans. You can stack that with a trinket and you are on a warrior like I was with a pally… pally could use their hand of freedom on me, then there we could trinket, then you could use EMFH, then you could use bladdestorm to also break all CCs, then you could spell reflect, then you could disarm. We went without being CCd the entire time in some arena matches because of that. Plus how a warriors bladestorm was back in wrath… it was the equivalent of taking a chainsaw to someone’s face. It would really tear you up.
And even if this toon is not able to go into WoTLK and get EMFH I am still super skilled at a rogue. I can stunlock you to death without there being a EMFH. I have another 60 rogue in Classic.
Yes but there is also the fact that you get less and less reward for killing the same people too many times. In a WSG for example if one goes on long enough you will soon find yourself gaining zero honour in the battleground after a few minutes in. AB is better for that and is the best to grind out R14 in Classic. You should only do AB for your R14 grind and the others I am doing to get the WSG tabard to match my mog and that will be it.