Lets be honest, you are not looking for “can” work, you are looking to have someone lead you by the hand and show you a strategy that is both simple and will work 100% of the time, while a large portion of your side afk are, farming harpies, or farming rep.
(or are on the forums, falsely reporting those you disagree with as threatening harm)
Until Blizzard fixes this then a boycott is the only way to go. Let it be a dead BG if they want to be stupid about it.
I haven’t played AV for awhile and I won’t go back to this map. I like AV a lot and I miss playing it, but this version is garbage.
One of the most vocal complainers of this version of AV now, was one of the small few who pushed to have this version, and argued against the early versions which were populated with NPCs and mobs of the correct strength and numbers suitable for the map design.
He is still capering about, and as of this post he has the highest post count in here.
Horde don’t have to do any strategy because alliance have not been doing any strategy.
Alliance sits and defends until their rep turn in is done then Rolls over.
So of course all horde have to do is keep throwing ourselves at alliance until they give up…
You still cannot grasp that it gives you an advantage for that to be where first contact occurs.
I agree. They should stop leaving 30 alliance at IBGY.
have you even tried all the strats that people have suggested? doubt it
sometimes you have to try something new
That makes no logical sense. You barely hold (and eventually almost always lose) the fight here. You are able to defend for that time solely due to the defender advantage you have.
If you were genuinely winning the fights you’d push out to field or SF or something. That rarely happens.
It’s actually true, I have been in more than a handful of games where we hold SHGY for over 2 hours, kill Lok 2 times.
There’s even more games where we hold for over an hour and kill Lok.
There’s also games where we get smashed in 15 minutes at SHGY.
If you take away the cave Rez the games where we hold and destroy horde for over an hour would of most likely been wins, the games we got smashed are losses.
I bet it would be 50/50.
And you have been shown many times this is completely false, the bridge is NEVER a contested area because of where the spawns are, it only ever works as an advantage for the Horde and not the alliance…
Before SP is softcapped the bridge is irrelevant because it is behind the GY
once SP is softcapped alliance spawn at GY so horde have free access into DB to softcap AS allowing them to hold the bridge to fight off alliance.
So the only way it works is if the Alliance abandon SPGY before it caps to sit on the bridge and wait for the Horde to hard cap SPGY in which case both sides are rezing 10 and a 10 on opposite sides of the bridge and the Horde still have aerial assaults and Lok summons to help push.
So as have been definitively proven to anyone with an ounce of honesty and critical thinking skills the alliance “advantages” pale in comparison to the horde advantages and that is why the map has the winrate that it does.
Look at that you finally admitted that the only reason you lost is because you stopped playing defense, the alliance had NO GYs so if you had turned south and killed them they would rez all the way back at the cave in the north.
Thank you for making it VERY clear you do not know anything about the AV map… both jumping on the hill and running up the path put you SOUTH of the IWB choke, so yes you have 2 ways to get to the front of the choke then you have to run past IWB and through that choke… there is only 1 path through which is what makes it a choke…
you mean besides the horde having access to an easy Lok summon, or that if alliance push slightly south the horde have a giant flank point to reach the flag,
OR do you mean the bunker which is too far north to hit the flag, Sorry forgot that you think Lts… 2 in front of belinda and 2 near SH bunker and the one patting the ramp from Belinda which are too far forward of SHGY to help defend and can easily be killed by Horde attackers before reaching alliance defending SH because if Alliance push to those LTs they leave a 2nd path open to the flag. Then there is the 1 on the GY which can be kited well away from the GY by anyone who starts AoEing on the flag and considering it takes 2 people to easily solo pulling a LT into 40 horde is gonna take FOREVER to go down and do a crapload of dmg, I mean I once pulled 2 LTs and they got me to like 50% health before they died as a warrior with no heals when I had 1 rogue helping me kill them. I mean I guess if you wanna grasp at straws Ram team 7 would easily hold horde off for an hour though but eventually I think those lvl 50-51 non elite mobs who have under 3k health might die.
Then you have the bunker “support”, not sure if you mean the one that is so far south that the Horde get a free cap on it and is dead while they assault SHGY or if you mean the one so far back that it does not hit SHGY?
So your strategy is to just cap things and leave them, so that 1 horde can just walk up to the capped thing with no resistance within 5 mins and retake it…
YOUR grand strategy is countered by a single lvl 51 horde with no gear and takes 2 alliance to stealth past horde to pull off. and if you stay to defend, then he dies says there are 2 Allies south and they send 2/3 horde south and wipe the alliance and your stealth team is dead and now have to stealth past the horde again. Man it is no wonder we lose when we do not listen to genius’ like you who can think a whole half a step ahead to think how this might be countered by the first thought a non braindead person would do.
Alliance won for 2.5 years till reinforcements were added and they realized how strong the IBGY choke defense was when it was highlighted by reinforcements and then 3 months later the map was changed because it was now OBVIOUS how broken the map was.
new strats have been tried for alliance, they all fail because there is 1 strat of take SH then defend the south which has no counter because the map favors the horde a lot.
FALSE, they do have a strategy it is just take SHGY and defend, they don’t have to adapt because the map ensures it has no counter. The alliance try strategies they all fail because of map advantage so they play to gain something from a loss instead of playing for the small chance at a win and gain nothing.
If it is such an advantage… the horde could sit at SF/IBGY and wait for the alliance to come to them, it is almost like it is not much of an advantage and the horde have no qualms about throwing it away because they do not need it.
So you agree that the alliance should throw the game? If we do not take IBGY then it is impossible for the alliance to ever push south against a horde team that is willing to play defense because we would have no way to res. Its like you have the ability to ignore reality. “Alliance: we cannot leap a 5 foot gap. Misadventure: Well have you tried leaping a 10 foot gap?” do you even think through the nonsense you say before you say it?
Now watch them ignore 90% of the info stated here to point to one thing the think is false, which has already been shown not to be and claim the whole post is trash because of 1 mistake, despite them never making any accurate statements in threads of posts.
90% of your “info” is based on feels. As I stated earlier, you lot are not looking for a plan that can work, but rather one that is guaranteed to work 100% of the time, with a portion of your team AFKing, honor leeching, farming harpies, and generally being dead weight.
Damn I was wrong, you ignored 100% of the post…
No I posted facts, just because you are bad does not make them feels.
It really is a shame feelings are being classified as facts these days.
And people wonder why the world is going to crap.
How the world works on feelings.
I got hired by X company, and I feel like I should be the CEO, waaaa, waaaa, waaa.
How the world works on facts. I got hired by X company, went to school for business management and worked for the company I am at for 15 years doing every job inside of the company, with these facts I would likely make a good CEO.
Sure wish the world went back to working on facts because it’s a disaster being run on feelings.
you know what av
some coding . Like how i can get 30 kill on my hunter pve shootting true a mountain. I know you are trying to do physic and ask what some should do w/e.
AV ad many change sibce its release in classic am actually surprize anything was done at all.
How you think youre good at PvP, that’s working on feels.
Facts- youre a 1500 rated player.
Man facts hurt.
Feelings are not facts, I did not post feelings, I made statements and backed them up with clear evidence from facts about the AV map and some small easy steps in logic.
The reason the world is going to crap as you so put it, The reason is that people ignore facts that contradict there position and refuse to learn, you know like how the earth is flat, or that climate change is real and caused by humans or that imaginary friends who tell you to do immoral things are not real or that the AV map is unbalanced are all very easily verifiable claims and yet there are portions of the population who refuse to admit this and make the world worse because of it.
you mean after classic? you do realize that this is classic wow, right?
Facts, this isn’t my original account. By the time I got this account I did my ratings clime and didn’t feel a need to do it again. All of my arena games since getting this account was just to help others reach their weekly cap.
So ya keep armory attacking as if I care, lol.
I mean your claiming the bridge is a useless alliance asset… When it is literally the best choke point in the game. …sooo…