Yeah in that same video there is alliance not blaming the map either and varying horde opinions but you keep focusing on that one that gives meaning to your existence.
If it was such a huge deal then one would expect 99% of alliance AV chatter to be about map imbalances and horde favoritism but when we collectively decide to afk until the horde win the game its an argument between those that want to fight and push and those that just wanna lose fast cuz 4 min queues yo and Im 3k rep away from never coming back here etc etc etc.
Again youâre bringing up the symptoms of us losing.
You really going to sit here and try to preach we afk because the map is fair??? Like thatâs your stance??
Ofc alliance afk more in AV, itâs a proven fact we are massively at a disadvantage, no matter your feelings.
The math and a multitude of tests have been done by people who have video evidence of it, how you feel is strictly irrelevant.
No one needs to prove anything to you, youâre irrelevant. Itâs not like youâre in here spouting out data that disproves the data we all have, because youâre not.
Youâre here to offer your biased opinion how you feel with made up data, and your feelings on why we lose. It doesnât matter what you think or feel.
The data is there and you canât dispute it.
Now like the horde advocates here you could dispute how much the advantage actually effects out loss rate, but even they know the maps imbalanced.
You do you, but youâre irrelevant in this conversation. The data has been done, you canât disprove that we have a disadvantage, and you offer no such evidence to point to the contrary.
We donât care how you feel.
Congrats alliance have lost for 8 months so they afk and leech in AV, you figured it out! You sure are smart!
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The alliance giving up isnât a symptom of you losing, itâs a symptom of fast que times and efficiency.
Because of the fast que times alliance want to end the game fast. If they have to chose between a 2+ hour game to get a win or a 30 minute loss, they chose to lose. Why? Because 4 losses is more honor/rep than 1 win.
Horde however maximize the individual game because of the long que times.
You keep trying to blame every aspect of your loss rate on the map, itâs not the maps fault you give up, itâs the efficiency of shorter games that are losses being better than 2+ hour games because of your near instant que times.
Stop trying to blame the map for everything when it is one of many factors.
Once again youâre posting your opinions and feelings like always all of you only have opinions and feelings.
Alliance donât leave WSG games that last for an hour in a pug vs pug. Yet they leave AV where the nao is imbalanced.
Again youre only suggesting we leave and those suggestions are all in relation to knowing we canât win.
AV is a bad date for Alliance, we just want it to end.
You keep ignoring this tho, keep preaching your opinions and feelings as if they are relevant. You donât matter.
Dont queue AV. Poof, its over.
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Solid recommendation.
Make sure to tell all the alliance that.
WSG doesnât have side quests to get rep from, nor do you get any bonus rep for a loss. This results in people wanting to win because winning is the ONLY effective rep farm for WSG.
You get rep for a loss in wsg.
3 tokens is rep.
By your logic those people would want to lose wsg fast. Yet they donât
Yes, but thatâs the only way to get rep, in AV there are side quests so itâs more efficient to play AV till the side quests are done, then lose and reque. There are not side quests in WSG.
Good luck getting any of those âside questsâ done as alliance.
The only rep we get is kill turn ins. Thatâs it.
Again your logic is flawed because most players donât fold because they need to try, contrary to what you think.
It only happens in AV, where the map is imbalanced.
What you say or feel is irrelevant, thatâs how it is.
It doesnât matter of you donât agree, thatâs why alliance donât try in JUST this BG.
The problem is you blame the map for everything. You fail to even consider the multitude of other factors playing a part in that loss rate and go even so far as to blame the map for those other factors.
Pot meet kettle.
This is exactly what You do but on the opposite side of the spectrum.
Iâm sorry if what you think is irrelevant and the map has been proven to be imbalanced.
Iâm sorry you canât recognize what an actual advantage means or how big it is.
Iâm sorry that all the data presented to you is just ignored.
You sit here and keep preaching the same garbage to us all. We get it, you think is being afk and leeching is why we lose.
No matter how many times we tell you we do that BECAUSE of the map you keep preaching it, itâs clearly the mountain you plan to die on.
We all get.
Alliance try EVERY strat to win AV, it fails, it fails for 8 months. Alliance no longer try in AV because they tried for 8 months to win with this map, no mater what happens you need to take IBGY and you canât, alliance canât get a southern graveyard because of the cave rez.
After all this alliance give up. You only see it as we lose cuz now we gave up. NEWS FLASH WE TRIED FOR 8 MONTHS.
At this point debating this with you is pointless, your stance is irrelevant, you have no data that supports anything you say. It doesnât matter if you think we afk more, or we lose because we afk.
Those people who afk and leech do it as a product of not winning for 8 mo the straight. You wonât ever get that tho.
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You lost in AV initially (pug vs pug) because of a bot infestation, by the time blizzard addressed that issue alliance had already given up. Your trying to rewrite history again.
Your blowing the map imbalance out of proportion and trying to flame you would lose 99% of the time even if you didnât have 10+ players a game afk/leaching.
The map isnât perfectly balanced, but itâs not a 1/99 scew you try to make it out to be. The map is at most a 45/55 scew, the 1/44 that goes to losses is caused by other factors that are not the map.
You are trying to make a mountain out of an mole hill.
I never once said we lose the way we do solely because of the imbalance
The imbalance is whatâs causing the alliance to play as this meta.
If youâre gonna sit here and say the map makes it 45/55 then Iâm gucci with that.
The map gets fixed so itâs 45/55, alliance meta shifts to start tryingâŚBOOM 50/50.
Thanks for agreeing with me.
Also you have a lot of nerve youâre sitting here and preach about how the map isnt a major factor on why we lose and how itâs only a minor factor why we lose yet you give us a 45% chance to lose because of the map, so the map is supposed to be balanced in a way that is 50/50 for both factions if 45% isnât a major reason, then I donât know what is.
That means according to you itâs not a major issue on a map thatâs supposed to be 50/50 but because of the map is imbalanced one faction gets minus 45% leaving it a 5% chance to win seems pretty major to me.
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5% chance is a lot less than the 49% your trying to blame the map for.
And that 5% mainly comes from deaths at SFGY putting you at ASGY. That needs to be fixed.
I wasnât blaming the map for that.
The map should be 50/50. So like you said the map is the cause of 45% of our losses.
The other 5% is us afking and leaching because of the map.
Learn to read how numbers work
The map is the cause of a 45/55 win/loss rate. Thatâs 5%.
5% of games the map was the factor that caused alliance a loss. Not 45%.
Again, itâs a small factor compared to what your trying to make it out to be. Of the 45/55 alliance should be getting they go down to a 1/99 because of other factors. Meaning the loss of 44 of that 45 win rate alliance would have is caused by factors that are not the map.
The map is a factor, it is not the primary reason alliance lose though.
Lmao 5%.
Hahahahaha hahahahahahahaha.
Man Iâm starting to see why people ignore you.
All those advantages to horde and we get 5% for it ahahahahahahahâŚ
Oh man. I can see why you were stuck at 1500. You have 0 idea what is impactful in pvp and what isnt.
Iâm glad your opinion means jack all here. No data, just opinions. Move along folks itâs just another standard troll post by him.
Imagine being so clueless at PvP you canât see what those imbalances cause.
Just gotta throw you on ignore. Congrats on being the first one.
Rushing generals was extraordinary boring pvp. It was also 99% loss horde side against alliance premade contrary to your stats. And one game out of two was an alliance premade vs. horde pug. But close to 99% victory for horde against alliance pugs since the premade were impacting so hard leaving alliance at start 20 vs. 40 and not at all because of the map (lol). On top of that, horde side still had a queue time of 30-40 minutes average. Amazingly, there is still alliances that are trying to defend that flawed system to have an av premade vs. a non premade.
Also, contrary to what you are stating, the map doesnât give horde a massive advantage. The advantages horde have are meek. Alliance also has map advantages but we donât discuss them much because horde now win 99% of the time. Not because of map imbalances but because allies rankers left all of a sudden bgs leavingalliance out of their best fighters. Of course, thatâs a conundrum until now and the situation just got worse.
The map imbalances does not give horde 90% + win rate. Maybe 55% win rate like someone said below. But we donât even add the imbalances in favor of alliance.
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So tired of 1500 rated pvpers giving their opinions of the map.
You should atleast have a 2k rating to be able to post in a PvP thread.
Youâre arguing your opinions, just like Red.
We donât care about your opinions, we donât care about your feels, you donât need to post here, itâs not going to change blizzards decision to either look into AV or ignore it.
You posting in this thread brings nothing of value. We donât care about your opinions.
Unless youâre bringing in data that debunks any of the dozens of videos you shouldnât even be posting in here, you all add nothing to the conversation.
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