I have not once asked for 1.5. Try again.
Youâre the one who keeps bringing up 1.5 AV as if itâs somehow going to magically solve the problems with AV.
Youâre upset because I correctly have pointed out it wouldnât.
Feel free to keep making that accusation. Just know that youâve no ability to actually cite me doing so, and no credibility to speak of at this point. The only players that are taking you seriously are your defeatist cheerleader squad.
I have not once asked for 1.5 (much less âkeep bringing it upâ). Try again.
False mass reporting any pug alliance that got into AV to make room for their premades?
Joining an AV to leave if not enough of the premade made it in, intentionally creating dozens of dead AV games in a single day.
Hmmm
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Cannot forget intentionally exploiting the druids to hold them in place and farm rep.
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Vanilla data, private servers using 1.12 AV map data, exc.
But hay, we live in an age where they want to rewrite history to w/e they want it to be, by the end of 2030, schools might be saying Hitler was the good guy at the rate the education system in the US is going.
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Premades didnât do that most of the time, just the pugs that already gave up on winning before the game even started.
Look I get youâre bitter about not getting 1.5 AV but Iâve said I have no problem offering it as an option.
Trying to imply that it would somehow solve any of the problems weâre having now is down right wrong as that was disproved.
Who really cares at this point. Its not like Classic as a whole is gonna suddenly improve because a bg map alteration.
They lost the debate, its over - I certainly dont feel like Ive won anything.
I dont think the current situation in AV makes the horde feel any better about themselves. Its freakin depressing. Id gladly take a 50/50 win rate if I could get the queue down to a half hour.
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Well then you have two options, A) instead of whining that alliance need to âgit gudâ help convince blizzard to fix the map B) convince your fellow horde to stop playing scorched earth
Either of those could easily see your queue times go back down to what they were when AV released.
I choose option C: Play as alliance.
Heâs just repeating the lie about my wanting 1.5 to try to push buttons at this point. He thinks heâs being clever flying under the troll radar.
(and I am solidly convinced at this point that he doesnât even play classic)
Have fun with that.
I find it amusing you think I donât play classic because unlike you I donât consider AV the sole thing to do in classic. And that if I dislike one aspect of an ultimately minor side game I canât possible play classic.
LOL! This might actually happen! It is funny because it is true!
I find it hilarious how supposedly in this day and age, where metas can shift due to all the online tools, Discord, etc, that after all these months of Alliance losing with a sub 10% win rate, that anybody could seriously believe its due to bad Alliance strategies and not anything at all related to BG itself.
Do you realize how insane that sounds? After the first week of getting dominated by the Alliance, the Horde used all the same informational tools the Alliance had, to bring a new meta upon AV. That happened after 1 single week. Yet you are honestly saying after all of these months of Alliance constantly losing, with all of the ways to communicate on the Internet, that Alliance just keeps coincidentally missing the correct strategy all this time?
The horde are master geniuses of understanding metas after 1 week. But the Alliance after almost a whole year cant use the same information tools to find this grand strategy?
Absolutely idiocy of the highest magnitude. It is LITERALLY mathematically impossible for something like this to happen. As has been explained countless times in this thread.
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Youâd have to be talking about the same exact people. Thereâs probably a lot of turn over.
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The assumption is that all of them care very much about winning and will do anything and everything to see it through and have done just that.
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Classicâs (vanilla) pvp set up and honor system coupled with the AV Blizz chose to go with on top of cross realm queues wasnât going to be a recipe that favored epic AVs.
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The environment in which AV exists.
Look at all the people boosting. Look at all the people premading and look at all those that have come before them. Look at what AV was when it first dropped in classic. Look at the world buff meta, look at all the people buying gold, look at the lengths people will go to in order to get through stuff as quick and painless as absolutely possible.
You want to tell me that people who absolutely loathe the thought of doing MC and BWL in more than an hour are totally fine with and have the patience to do a 2 hour bg in which the outcome is not 100% guaranteed?
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What did you win? You are arguing that a 20 second head start and the cave + sh bottle neck situation isnât why alliance get screwed. You are also arguing that alliance are bad and canât win battles yet in strictly pvp bgs(ab/wsg) with actual fair maps its a very even win loss ratio.
I donât think you want to know what you actually won during this discussion lol.
The only thing I need to do to undo your entire library of quack theories is point out the map hasnt changed to your satisfaction. Blizz hasnt given us so much as one post or obscure tweet over something thats supposed to be a slam dunk no doubt about it major game breaking issue. Obviously youâve arrived at the wrong conclusion - thereâs no other way to look at it unless denial is like slipping into a warm bath for you. That one fact shreds your bs and decimates the consensus.
Listen, Alliance cave and Stormpike Graveyard vs Horde Cave and Iceblood Grave yard
Alliance have the biggest advantage, their terrain and base placement is more fortified than horde. The carved terrain allows range to shoot through the hills/trench to kill horde vice versa. Except ally have better positions that make it for incoming horde to target which canât damage ally but they can damage you
You ever spend 20+ minutes trying to take a alliance graveyard while it can take less time for alliance getting a horde grave yard.
Why canât we speak up about these? Horde Graveyard are exposed while alliance graveyard are fortified by line of sight and hill trenches
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