I think I’ve officially given up on the alliance.
I can win games, but the amount of cat herding, keyboard warring, macro spamming, arguing, killing I have to do to win games isn’t worth the effort.
I have to sacrifice having fun in order to win.
The alliance only know how to zerg.
The map, the fast Q times, they are brain dead. I’ve stopped caring and I’m done trying to win.
Vanilla WoW is dead, and the pservers were way better.
AV premading wasn’t changed because of horde. It was changed because of the scum tactics the alliance premades were doing to the pugs that got into their premades.
Mass reporting, the report afk function was broken because of alliance behavior, not horde complaining.
Dead AV we’re not caused by horde complaining, it was, once again scum tactics from alliance premades, blizzard fixed this issue by removing premades in AV. There was more complaining from alliance being abused by AV premades then there was horde. That’s why they got broken. Because of the scum tactics alliance premades were using in AV.
Let’s look at the other BGs?
Who got the exit gates disabled for WSG and AB? Primarily alliance premades again.
It’s like blizzard had to respond to people being jerks by making changes…
I start every game will full PvP consumes, gems, 400 water and 200 food.
At the start I yell:
“Buff Up!”
“Open Trade for Water!”
I then buff and dole out as much water as I can. I ask for leader from whoever has raid lead. Most times I get it, but sometimes they will just be a jerk, or they are afk.
I spam the following 3 times at gate opening.
“I need 12-15 Brave Alliance to Hold SH GY, and Play Defense the Entire Fight! Everyone else, Hug RIGHT, Ride and Fight to IB GY! Stick Together, EVERYONE DISMOUNT and FIGHT when the Horde ENGAGES! IGNORE SnowFall Graveyard at the Start!”
“I will start out on Defense and shift to Offense as Needed. Don’t get Defensive Tunnel Vision! Always look for an Opportunity to Push Offense! Get Kills, Communicate, and Recall if Needed!”
I race ahead of everyone to the fork in the road. I then /say:
“Left or Right, choose wisely!”
…in an effort to get everyone in the right place. I try to do a head count to ensure 12 are on Defense. I do a /rw if Defense is low.
Sometimes ppl follow, sometimes ppl don’t. I call out either:
“More People Go Right for Offense!”
“More People Go Left for Defense!”
I then say a few times:
“Everyone. Dismount. Fight. Kill.”
From here it’s a crapshoot. Most of the time offense wipes, or goes SF. Sometimes they make it to IB GY while we still hold SH. If we lose SH, we can still regroup and take it back because Horde will go for IB GY back cap, but it’s rare.
If IB GY fails, I call for a push to SF. From this point on I go back and forth until SF or IB GY falls. If SF is taken, I call for 10 to stay SF and SH and float between the two until SF caps. If we get IB GY, I tell 10-15 to hold SH.
I don’t play offense unless the ramps to SH are cleared of Horde. There are some details and further contingencies I’m missing here and there, but that’s basically it.
I think I’m done calling strats and trying to get wins. The alliance either don’t do anything, flame, or are just so bad at pvp that no strats even matter. If a push for IB GY opens up, everyone will follow the pack and leave SH totally undefended.
The root of the problem with alliance, other than the map advantage, and fast Q ensuring that no game matters, is:
They think that “Everyone do XYZ” is the viable and correct strategy, instead of playing offense AND defense.
If you have to say “other than the map advantage”…
what’s worse is the game was fun on the pservers
classic has now ruined the pservers, and in turn, all remnants of what vanilla could/should be.
I guess it’s a good thing that classic isn’t as fun as it could or should be.
We don’t want people to be overly distracted, unproductive and/or happy.
Classic is the honest version of vanilla.
Not the true to the vanilla experience.
yah
if there is one company that we can trust to have our entertainment best interests as their number one priority
…it’s Activision.
yes pservers had their integrity issues
Activision just hides it better?
Too bad the player base is 500-1000 players. I’d rather take duplicated gold and players w/ AV 1.15 over a company that doesn’t care about their player base.
And I can get away with saying this because Activision doesn’t read this thread.
Many capture points (mostly graveyards) had been moved away from their initial placements to gain better balance across the map. Korak the Bloodrager was removed, and killing opposing players no longer drops items like Dwarf Spines, Orc Teeth, or Human Bone Chips. Gross.
Careful, the naysayers will be calling you a defeatist!
I get your frustration, but alliance have tried every imaginable strat with an abysmal success rate. There are too many obstacles to overcome and it relies on being massively better or just getting a really bad horde group. That ceases to be fun for most players. Giving it your all for a reasonable win chance is one thing, giving it your all to win 4/20 instead of 1/20 really isn’t fun.
Blizzard gave us a horrible map and it’s adding insult to injury to leave it this way.
I think we would have been better off if there was a separate subscription for classic instead of lumping it in with the main game.
Everything you’ve posted is also an opinion you dirty hypocrite. Cave rez needs to be changed to a last resort. Alliance should not be sent to aid station from SF. No one can realistically state those changes don’t favor fair gameplay.
Fighting for SF works too, fight on the horde ramp though. Once horde get in a tizzy about SF or druids in the middle, then ride around the left flank to IBGY.
Yeah, I just love dying there and rezzing way back at our base.
Fight on the horde ramp
Well that or they just take SHGY.
It’s a huge credit to you that you fought hard so long and led alliance to a number of victories on such an imbalanced map.
It’s just clear though that the cave rez and SF rez problem (alliance dying at SF and rezzing in DB) have to be fixed to truly make AV balanced and incentivize alliance to play.
I don’t blame alliance for quitting AV. If horde had North side of the map, I’d quit too.
You being wrong isnt my opinion. lts confirmed by the reality of the situation.
Agreed. They should go to the closest GY they control (SH/SP or IBGYs).
First you have to prove completely balanced and fair gameplay was the singular goal of classic.
You could always go back to retail. Shadowlands is right around the corner, Im sure it will be the expac that turns that ship right around.
Gotta love the double talk of agreeing the map has issues for alliance while also trying to claim the map isn’t a problem.