AV Cave Rez situation

Yeah we’ve talked about them alot already. They did all that but yet they didnt touch the horde cave or anything involving the IBGY choke. They did fix a lot of dumb broken stuff though.

What does that yell you???

Insert Jeopardy Theme

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That blizzard is incompetent? We asked for #nochanges not #somechanges.
We’re already past #nochanges might as well go for broke and ask for them to push the cave back or remove ressing in the cave as an option only until all gy’s have been taken.

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Speak for yourself. I definitely wanted #somechanges. I would honestly like #somemorechanges lol. Nothing major, but tweaks.

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We couldnt handle it dude. As a player base we didnt respect it so we’re not getting any respect. This isnt hard to understand or some ploy to make us play shadowlands.

People that play wow cant help themselves and they have to take the matches away from the 4 year olds before the children burn the house down.

And applying fixes to the cave situation would also be better for the game. After all just like the changes horde asked for which were applied post vanilla so are the changes alliance are asking for.

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In your opinion. Your opinion dont mean jack. They dont make every change players ask for cuz players dont ask for the right things a lot of the time.

This is just one example. Youre wrong about the map. Time to own up to it.

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So you admit all the changes to AV should be rolled back as they were only due to player complaints.

That’s fair enough, as it acknowledges blizzard is being highly hypocritical only responding to horde complaints.

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Are all your strawmans this bad?

Talks to own strawman. Great stuff.

The first sign of you had nothing to go on was you demanded Blizz change it with zero credible evidence in full defiance of the spirit of why it even exists in the first place. You havent exactly been cordial and respectful about it either. I wish you all the luck in the world regardless.

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Hypocrisy is not an insult, it’s a statement.

Blizzard addressed horde issues in classic that were addressed post vanilla, they failed to address alliance issues in classic that were also addressed post vanilla.

That is hypocrisy, that is simple fact.

They addressed game issues. You see them as horde changes because youre an alliance cheerleader - not a spokesman of equity and fair play.

You lost the debate. Time to move on.

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You seem really mad when it’s pointed out that blizzard’s changes very much favor horde in classic.

Despite alliance issues also being acknowledged by blizzard as legitimate issues that were also fixed post vanilla.

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Thats not anger youre detecting. Its frustration from dealing with clowns and their bullspit.

If youre posting from a stance from “its horde bias” youve negated your argument on account of Alex Jones’ing the thread. That too, is just your opinion.

Non sequitur? Classic aint post vanilla and its not gonna become post vanilla because you think its a good idea and the proof is it would really benefit you.

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Hmmm… the changes to AV in classic have largely been also changes made post vanilla. Because guess what they were also issues always that were addressed.

Premading AV, fixed in post vanilla and classic, only horde whined about this.
Solo pulling bosses, fixed in post vanilla and classic, only horde whined about this.
Horde cave rez situation, fixed in post vanilla nothing being done in classic, but oddly horde didn’t whine about this one…

Seems like they only listened to horde whines when it comes to legititmate issues with AV in classic.

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More opinions with an extra layer of spin.

They werent changed because of horde whining. Keep shillin’ tho.

Not really opinion :stuck_out_tongue:

These were issue changed post classic release and those were issues horde whined about.

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Do you remember the horde that complained about it? The horde that liked 10-20 minutes queues in which you can lose in 7 minutes and still get a bunch of rep and honor or win in 10 minutes because the gates opened with 10 alliance and 40 horde?

Do you remember the alliance premades whining about horde pugs playing defense and slowing their honor grinds and if the horde didnt stop they would do AV less and increase horde queues? Do you remember the horde posts saying stop playing defense?

Do you see the irony in claiming horde bias when the reason youre opining such a claim is because youre alliance biased?

As your pretty much evidence of, people will whine about anything and everything so saying someone whined about something doesnt take your whiny alliance bias opinion and turn it into discourse gold.

You lost the debate, time to man up.

Alternate reality now, how quaint.

Its called cherry picking and thats been done by both sides.

Hmm… yeah there were so many alliance whining about premades and solo pulling drek.

The alliance were complaining about the fallout that came from having premades solo pulling drek in the same queue system as them.