The cave push back would do nothing.
The fix is to make it so no one can Rez at their cave unless they have no other graveyard, which has been outlined in this thread, and title.
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i think they should do both
they might fix the rezzes spawns
highly doubt they push back the cave
rip vanilla
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The point is thereâs a hundred or more ways to approach AV but we keep looking at very specific examples - most of which revolve around zerging and how ineffective it is because of GYs and opponents who dont just roll over to accomodate the pve race. Its easy to blame the map in any scenario if you think your approach or strat is or should be bulletproof and you refuse to look at any other external variables.
The depression thing was an actual alliance response (that got a bunch of likes) to a question I posed in an AV cave thread that asked alliance posters why I can solo cap all of DB and sit unstealthed in a DBS window while tens of alliance players run in to do turn ins but dont bother back capping anything, Cuz theyre depressed about the map - Its been stated more than once.
The OP of this thread very recently (yesterday) stated that alliance apathy is 100% the maps fault - got a bunch of likes - no alliance poster disagreed. No bias there right? Anyone with a brain can reason out thats BS. Now regurgitating documented alliance arguments is me stereotyping.
Fine by me. Im over it. Classic pvp as a whole sucks for anyone who isnt a sweaty premader and by all accounts those guys arent having that much fun either. The real mountain to climb here is overcoming a community that only cares about themselves - not a bg map.
So, hypothetically, if the only GY the horde has is SP and they die trying to recap their base GY they should respawn at SP? If the horde soft cap SP and aid station and the closest GY the allies have is SF they should spawn there?
Yeah, that will bring back players to AV in droves Im sure.
I cant give you a one size fits all strat because no such thing exists. Everything is dependent on how each team is approaching the bg (not too mention things like having enough healers which is totally random) which can take on 100 forms and while there is definitely general strats that pug teams use these are subject to upheaval at any time.
Other than that I invite yall to roll horde and try to take SHGY from an entire alliance raid thats sitting there with the expressed purpose of not giving the horde SHGY. Same goes for SP or any GY that has two zergs fighting over it. Ive been in games where its been 30 minutes and each team has like 200 hks but weâre still throwing ourselves at SHGY until one of the 30 push attempts finally ends with a cap.
In those situations I would prefer to just mount up and try to run past them or pull back and sit and wait for them to come to us but you cant always convince 39 other people to try something different. I cant imagine its much different on the alliance side.
Itâs not ignored⌠The map is accurate to the 1.12 patch that Classic is based off of. I really donât think this will change until TBC is relaunched.
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The map is not identical to the 1.12 patch. The era of #nochanges has long since passed for AV.
Does it mean theyâll do anything? Should they do anything?
Probably no to both. They should have left Classic alone.
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We dont discredit them. We prove them wrong via facts logic and reason. Also those alliance that think the map is balanced are completely outnumbered by us who think itâs not
Ignoring the majority to support the minority and say the minority opinion is the dominant one is ridiculous.
We alliance have painstakingly over and over again laid out the reasons as to why the map has been imbalanced since its existence. Weâve shown pictures, shown times, brought up distance, locations, times, graveyards, things which are 100% undisputed facts but you horde just constantly ignore evidence because you dont want blizzard to take away ur easy honor farm
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Sure and the queuing system was accurate to the 1.12 path as well.
Theyâve been parading around with him on their shoulders as one of the âgoodâ horde, while dismissing and insulting the rest of the alliance posters who do not toe their defeatist line.
Yeah weâre all supposed to view AV through a lens of fair play, a fun loving community steeped in rich tradition and sportsmanlike conduct when the community as a whole has placed their emphasis entirely on the opposite of all that. Its all about getting yours as quickly as possible no matter the cost and screw everyone else. Weâre playing under a deeply regressive premade meta which is dominate in both size and scope which naturally comes with far reaching implications. AV just got caught in the crosshairs.
But good luck trying to get anyone to see that.
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Odd how you can post the exact reasons the map is broken and still not understand how it is broken. The meta has nothing to do with AV because if that were true no one would be playing defense because 7 min games are the best hph and rep per hour for BOTH sides.
However the map gives horde a near unbeatable advantage that requires the alliance to be over 2x stronger than any horde team that simply prevents the alliance from hardcaping any southern GYs while pushing for SH. No such strat exists for the alliance because a softcap on SH ends the fight at that GY but it takes a hardcap to end the fight at IBGY.
This crazy advantage is so obvious that it causes any sane player to understand the bias and not to play the standard way because that is pointless.
How long would you play a game of chess where every other move your opponent got to move twice? Sure a GM could beat a 1500 player under these rules or if the double move player never took advantage of the extra moves they could still throw. But any sane person would understand that there is little point in trying very quickly, this is what causes the apathy of the alliance, especially since they have seen multiple changes to actively remove alliance advantages by Blizzard and yet the only change to disadvantage the team that has been winning 99% of games was to stop a backdoor method to help them close out a game they already won slightly faster, so basically doing nothing.
Nope we just do that to the trolls in the thread because they are obvious trolls who should gave been banned long ago if blizz actually moderated these forums but they dont.
Only took them 19 hours to delete the later nerds thread and that thread was one of the clearest violations on these forumsâ rules. And reading the posts in it, that was the OPs 2nd time at least making that thread and no ban for the first one.
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After itâs been shows your definition of âtrollâ is anyone who disagrees with your viewâŚ
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nope, try again.
Next time try reading, I know it can be difficult for you, but I believe you can learn.
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The faction imbalance created something new. It was exploited endlessly, and needed to go.
Im not making a case for the map being broken. Im making a case for the players being broken. Im looking at the bigger picture and thinking about how all things relate to each other cuz it aint just the map and how much of it can actually be attributed map is still way up for debate. Alliance logic here is 99% loss rate (assuming thats even close to accurate) = 99% the map. Pretty simplistic thinking.
Thinking is the art of making accurate or at least plausible inferences based on instinct and intuition from the implications inherent within all data - itâs information correlation - to correlate is to connect the dots - the âthink of the childrenâ alliance posters donât like it when the dots get connected - for obvious reasons ⌠the alliance AV map theorist likes to have everybody unthinking that all things are separate, that everything develops in isolated bubbles independent of everything else - this is called the coincidence theory.
Itâs a big freakin coincidence that alliance premaders said they wouldnt do AV if AV premades got taken away and then stopped when it did. Its a complete coincidence that weâre in an efficiency grind meta and the faction with near instant queues plays like a bunch of rep grinders. Another amazing coincidence is how the alliance win AV on holidays when their rank 12s show up in larger numbers to do it.
Then all unthinkers get together to tell us why these astounding coincidences occurred without ever acknowledging the simplest and most obvious explanation there is - an explanation that has jack squat to do with coincidence.
Hint: The majority of alliance queuing for AV are bad or dont care and its probably both.
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Banned for WHAT?
All you have provided the thread is a constant stream of insults and calling people trolls and liars, and no, a copy pasted wall of feels is not helpful.
For hellâs sake put me on ignore if you cannot stomach anything that goes against your red shirt v blue shirt garbage.
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But you know what you, red and corpse have proven yourself massive trolls and Blizz clearly does not care at all about moderating these forums or about actual game problems that are spelled out in clear and precise facts and are willing to let one of the worst balanced BGs in the history of WoW survive unchanged for months. Not only do they not care enough to make a statement on it, they donât even have the decency to moderate the forums of people who discuss it and let trolls who have done nothing but repeat the same disproven talking points OVER AND OVER get away with trolling with no punishment.
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Correct.
People will come back, especially alliance, you might lose horde players queing because no more automatic win. Which is partly why they que so heavily into it in the first place.
If ab wsg or AV pop up as horde which do you take??
Obviously the one where you have 0 competition and a free win.
Horde like PvP more tho huh???
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Your the one constantly throwing insults, spamming giberish, picking fights, and abusing the report functionâŚ
So⌠Would you like us to start reporting the troll posts in this thread?