So this new AV change is obviously controversial. But I dont really see why assumnig you are a legit PVPer.
Alliance AND Horde
Who cares about winning? It’s really about Honor per hour. IF you “win” and get 1.7k bonus honor, you are still behind the person who lost and got 2.5k honor.
Honor is also relative. So you might not be gaining the same honor per hour as last week since its a lot harder and longer to complete an AV game. HOWEVER, that same issue you have is experienced by everyone else! Theoretically, if you played the same amount as you did prior, you’re standing wouldnt change
There would be no reason why Alliance with their fast queue times would need to queue for anything other than AV still. You might lose more, but losing and gaining 2.5k honor in AV is still better than winning and getting 1386 honor from WSG
HOWEVER, the meta has now changed “back” to WSG. The only people that would have issues with WSG over AV (as a ranking BG anyways) are AFK botters, account sharers, and solo players.
Let’s just exclude the first two since cheaters shouldnt be catered to and address solo playing.
Solo players have NEVER been competitive to attain rank. Back 15 years ago, it was mostly premades. The “solo” ranker would usually be an account sharer or botter because they had to compensate by playing into the late hours of the night to compete with the more-efficient premades.
…and that’s how it should be.
Premades = more coordination, higher level play, more consumables, etc. They SHOULD outcompete solo players for rank.
Solo player should never get the same rewards as groups. If that happened, then there’d be no incentive for grouping up. This is the philosophy for MMOs and PVE in general.
You do realize most AV matches now alliance barely gets 600 bonus honor in a 30 minute match. The horde are very organized and even if three people get by, they send five after them. Premades made it organized correct. The T1 alliance premades won about 50% of the time. Both sides got about the same bonus honor. Now it’s 100% lopsided where horde get 4k+ bonus honor and alliance is lucky to even get to 1000. All horde does is keep SHGY choke point and keeps 4-5 people scouting in mid. No group gets by to at least farm the LTs and if they do, half the horde recalls for 3-4 people.
I can show you alliance logs where most matches we get about 600 bonus honor and 600 honor from kills. Horde get that in the first 10 minutes of the game.
You get literally 15 alliance jumping in place every game
Seriously open your map and look at how many dots are standing still, and then /target that person and see them at full HP, stealthed, and shadow melded
I cant really argue against the specific points of current alliance AV since it’s actually true. The last AV game alliance got about 600 bonus honor in 20 mins. With that said, 600 bonus honour in 20 mins is still a lot better than 0 honour in 20 mins from losing WSG.
Just do what Horde did; try to go after LTs and Commanders/towers. Even a loss can get you 2000 honour or so, which is a lot better than every other alternative.
the alternative is to rank in WSG. And if you were the same type of person that can premade AV and win, you should be the same type of person that can premade WSG and win.
I jsut want to reiterate that the people that would actually be negatively affected by this change are AFKers/cheaters and solo players. Neither of which should get higher ranks than dedicated PVPers
People can’t work out the math like they did on horde
600 honor in a 20 minute loss is the same as trying to win/lose and ending up with 3600 honor after 120 minutes
Like literally, try to argue the math on that lol (especially with the 10% DR now, and trying to PvP instead of just PvE’ing and giving up after 6 minutes)
Most matches the alliance are unable to get south to get LTs. When we do and the horde see there is bonus honor, they send scout parties to kill them. After the initial confrontation when alliance loses SHGY, no one but stealthies can make it through the blockade. At least with premades Horde got 2-3k bonus honor per match, except for the T3 6 minute runs. Now only a few of us are left that try to complete objectives and are left with being farmed for 30 minutes with only getting 2-3 LTs.
[Addition] Watch the map as a Horde. Since Horde spawn so much closer to mid, they are spread out waiting to intercept any rush before the Alliance even get to SHGY. That’s just the 100% riders. Even if we group to engage, the 60% show the horde exactly where the Alliance are and start to group to focus any zerg. It really is ridiculous to think how OP the horde starting cave is compared to the alliance starting cave.
I will be joining WSG premades once I get the correct set of gear. Only a week old at 60. I know better than to look for a premade. BiS pre-raid only gets you so far and rolling under 40 in my first raid didn’t help lol
Because the horde drag the game out far longer than it needs to be, making the hph garbage. As for “Whats wrong with it”, that would be Blizzard changing the game because 1 faction cried about it.
Yes. I agree that it is difficult compared to Horde.
However, your competition isnt really Horde. It’s with other Alliance rankers.
When youre in AV, your “real competition” are the Alliance members that are doing WSG and other Alliance in AV.
I’m going to assume you are a solo player. No premade/PVP guild is upset that WSG is the meta now. In fact, premades PREFER this current meta because solo players and puggers get farmed in WSG and get 0 honor for losing. That means less competition in rank brackets as there is much more honor “disparity” between premades and solo players.
Before, solo players can AFK for 2.5k honor losses. You cant do that anymore. But what you can do is at least try for whatever bonus honor you can in AV. I can tell you right now that trying to get bonus honor in WSG is a lot harder as a soloer.
Not only that, since AV isnt as lucrative anymore for honor/hour there is actually honor deflation; this week’s 600 honor is worth MORE than last week’s 600 honor. All the premades went to WSG for 1400 honor every 10 minutes. Last week, they were getting 2.5k every 7 minutes.
The people complaining are mostly those who were farming honor in premades, who can’t do it anymore. Meanwhile if you ask the pugs, they’re generally happy with the change. They’re still losing at the same rate, 100%, but they no longer have to deal with 20v40 matches and they’re averaging more honor per loss.
How is that different than Alliance crying about P2?
Not much.
But faction complaining aside, this change is better for EVERYONE that PVPs.
Do you think that AFKing//botting your way up the ladder should be encouraged? Did you think that Drek/Van rushes was what people envisioned when they think “PVP”?
Again, this change has no affect on rankers unless said rankers are cheaters or solo players. The premades who premaded AV would now just do WSG instead. And solo player should never be competitive with people who grouped. In any MMO or in any other activity. In fact, the current meta of “premade WSG” was how vanilla was like 15 yrs ago. So if anything, Blizzard made these changes to try to make classic’s meta as similar to vanilla as they can
A HUGE difference. The Alliance asked for BGs early. All they did was get content we were getting anyway added to the game a few months sooner. The end result wasnt any actual change to the way the game would have worked.
The horde actually got the game changed from its vanilla state, despite blizzard’s insistence it would not be changed and would be a “museum”. The game literally no longer works the same way.