Once again, you ignore the fact that the general public cannot “pull over” drivers they think should be “pulled over”. All they can do is to dial 911 and report the other driver. The authorities are the ones who “pull over” that other driver.
Yet, you advocate giving every Tom, Dick and Harry the option to “pull over” (or to try to “pull over”) any other player for any reason.
All that we are asking is that only the authorities (Blizzard) be given the power to “pull over” (squelch) other players.
I cannot help but wonder at your adamant insistence that every Tom, Dick and Harry be able to collude with their friends, families, guild mates, streamer followers, etc. be able to squelch any player for any reason. You claim that people oppose the auto squelch because
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People just want to be able to spout off whatever nonsense they want in game.
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I could just a easily claim that people insist upon the auto squelch because they plan to try to abuse it to squelch anyone they do not like. I’m not claiming that, but that claim has just as much merit as your claim.
We HAVE seen players who have made it expressly clear that they intend to try to abuse the right click report system in order to squelch and silence those who have the audacity to disagree with them. They have even specifically stated that they will create characters on other servers with that express intent in order to try to disrupt another player’s gaming experience.
While I mostly agree … I do remember the utter annoyance of people who had ASCII art macros that could flood 5+ lines of text, sometimes pushing the profession of WTB or LFG we wanted to see off the screen. (I actually used chat log addons to be able to scroll back more. I know right-click report will help some by removing those lines, but I’ve had issues with that clearing all of the chat and not just the person reported, which is even more bothersome.)
theres an addon called badboy that removes guild spam as well as other stuff that you can make keywords to stop it from showing. i hope they have it in classic for people to use . it would stop some of the mass report abuse that will happen.
Once again you ignore the fact that you don’t need to quote the entire post.
It’s getting stupid when you guys qoute each other to the point off a single letter column taking up 10 posts worth of space. Lol.
Anyways:
Which is all one person can do in game as well. Report.
Which you guys are ignoring in you mad attempt to prove the community is going to be on board with this and risk their own accounts/playtime to flag Billy because he stole your mob.
People won’t risk their level 3 forum rep for that. LOL
Which is exactly what you’ve been claiming this entire thread.
You really should try trusting the community a bit more.
As you once said:
“Those who can’t trust are those who are usually not worth trusting”
Blizz is going to implement it and if there are problems with abuse. Blizz will address them.
It’s really that simple.
I trust that those who have openly and expressly stated that they plan to abuse the system will do so.
I am not the one advocating giving every Tom, Dick and Harry and their cronies the option to squelch any other player at any time, for any reason. I am not the one who plans to abuse the reporting system to try to disrupt the gaming experience for anyone that has the audacity to disagree with me or beats me to a resource node.
I am the one asking that only the authorities be given the power to “pull those other drivers over”.
You do you, though. You go ahead and keep advocating for you and your cronies to have the power to squelch any player at any time, for any reason.
I’ve seen people say they would use right click to report anyone in violation of the CoC.
Which is what it’s there for. Funny how that works.
I haven’t seen anyone say that they would be convincing their guild or a bunch of friends to mass report someone for stealing their mob kill.
Like I said let them go for it.
Good luck finding anyone stupid enough to do this after the first group of abusers is banned.
Idk any of those guys. What I do know is Blizz won’t take action just for any reason.
There has to be an actual violation.
Which after you’re pulled over.
A.k.a squelched.
The facts are reviewed and determinations are made based on those facts.
Look at it this way.
Blizz is doing this to free up manpower. Do you really think they are going to allow the player base to abuse this for any reason the player decides to flag for?
Sounds pretty counterproductive to what they were intending don’t you think?
I always do me. You should now this by now Ratsy muh boy!
Did I say those trolls specifically said they would create characters on other servers to report them for “stealing their mob kills”? No, I said that there are trolls that have specifically stated that they plan to create characters on other servers in order to abuse the right click report to try to make the game less enjoyable for those that have the audacity to disagree with them. At least on of those trolls is already reporting almost anyone on these forums that disagrees with them for “harassment”. Why should I not believe that person will abuse the right click report in game in order to try to disrupt the game for other players?
We know all about you wanting you and your cronies to have the option to “pull over” any player at any time, for any reason. You have made it very clear that you want that option for you and your cronies, as well as every other Tom, Dick and Harry in the game. Apparently, leaving that to the authorities is not enough for you.
Apparently allowing the authorities to determine if there was an actual violation before sending that other player into the purgatory of silence does not leave you and your cronies with enough power.
we say its when you get actioned in game (auto squelched) , and you are saying its not punishment till the gm upholds the squelch.
to be honest its like jailing someone for a day and then a judge saying oh they had no right to jail you and letting them go.
the person cant get back that 24 hrs back so it is punishment. or however long it takes for an actual human to get to it.
its not a good idea to let every random person be able to punish someone without a real person there to say ok he did nothing wrong or hey this guy is in violation .
all we are asking for is to not have any punishment until a real person whos job it is to decide these things gives the ok.
and also , if there is no punishment for a false report , there should be one.
and before you say “they are trying to free up human resources” , if they are freeing up them , what makes you think they are going to have them for false reports to review them?
As long as he and his cronies (as well as every other player in the game) have the option to collude to squelch any other player in the game for any reason at any time, he doesn’t care.
I guess streamers will never “suggest” that their followers mass report another player without that player having committed an actual violation.
I guess you chose to ignore the fact that the poster to whom I was responding has a history of pushing for almost everything that those desiring a truer Classic experience oppose–including, but limited to: dual spec, guild banks, “class balance” by making hybrids equal to pures while still retaining all of their utility, sharding.
If those who desire a truer Classic experience oppose something, Ziryus likely wants it in Classic. If those who desire a truer Classic experience want something in Classic, Ziryus likely opposes it.
Then you should have no problem proving that by telling us all in either of those two posts you chose to quote where I aid that you or Ziryus really want “moging/flying/achievements”.
I went back and read those two posts, and I cannot find even one time I used the words “mogging”, “flying” or “achievements”.
You wouldn’t lie about that, would you? You wouldn’t violate the TOS by lying about something like that would you?
Quoting both of you since I want you both to address the situation I laid out earlier, as it brushes on concepts you both are seemingly not understanding (which I’m going to quote myself on below this).
The Booms Scenario:
So both of you now answer…the player Booms is already dead, but if he weren’t, and wanted to take up old hobbies again in Classic.
How does Booms (or more specifically his Alliance account’s character
“Boomsbot”) avoid being nearly permanently squelched by offended Alliance characters?
How can the GMs possibly determine what reports against Booms’ character “Boomsbot” are made in good faith (players genuinely unsure if this is a bannable issue and using the report system as it was intended), vs what reports are made in bad faith (are reporting him simply to force a squelch penalty/punishment)??
Remember, in this case, Booms has legitimately NOT done ANYTHING wrong, ban worthy, or silence worthy, and is instead looked up to in the community, and even immortalized in game with an NPC by Blizzard themselves.
The fact is, Auto squelch is inherently anti-vanilla and completely breaks down when applied to a real example of vanilla community/flavor.
Yea I’ll believe this is a problem when I see blizz hands out bans because people disagree.
Blizz isn’t going to allow their system to br abused like that.
They may as well not even have it or answer any tickets if they alkow pkayers to abuse it like you’re describing.
wuth no repercussions whatsoever either right?
We may as well take this a step further and claim people will be extorting gold out of people by telling them their gang won’t silence them!
This wilk be the new RMT gokd farming tactic. LOL
I ain’t with everybody else. Let’s get that straight right now.
I speak for me and no one else speaks for me.
As far as wanting to pull people over? LOL
Only ones I’ve ever reported have been RMT spammers.
Which is exactly what you’re doing when you right click report someone.
Informing to authorities for review.
Since you guys are stuck on this “mas reporting abuse”.
Whatcha think happens when only 1 or 2 reports are sent in?
They must review those too right?
Its more stream line the ticket process but yes it indeed it does free up labor and time to do other things.
You know. Review facts for all these false flag reports they get. LOL
So many I’m surprised we haven’t seen a blue post about abusing the system.
Yea that’s sarcasm for the folks in the back.
Oh yea. Thought that thru. Just worded it wrong.
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