Augmentation makes M+ less fun

[Mefara-stormrage]

Dummies do zero for deciding the best build? What do you think sims do? It’s called Patchwerk because Patchwerk was a giant target dummy.

[Draxen-hyjal]

I did not know that thank you. It felt like I was the only one getting the buffs because my dmg was way, way higher than the other dps in my groups.

[Hpellipsis-whisperwind (Hpellipsis)]

@Mefara-stormrage

Why are you testing out new builds for damage in M+??? Target dummies exist for a reason and you can use a meter for that purpose without worrying about external buffs.

Yeah, if you’re trying to make little changes to see what gets you more dps, hit the dummies and use your meters. But M+ is more about knowing when to do things rather than just pumping raw numbers.

Different cd timings, different opportunities to reposition, different mixes of shadow crash and VT in areas like the 2nd section of brackenhide, different amounts of commitment to adds on bosses like naralax, dargrul, and Asaad. Hell even talents can’t really be tested on dummies outside of a very basic outline.

[Draxen-hyjal]

Simming is helpful, but if you dont understand what I mean in my last comment, lets just end this convo. ty.

[Fluffykíns-wyrmrest-accord]

@Draxen-hyjal

I have ran a few keys today and all of them have had an augmentation evoker. I play desto warlock. I just want to point out some issues pertaining to the addition of this new support style spec.
One thing I noticed is having multiple super meta specs make it hard to find groups as a warlock ( and im sure other classes). Spriest is S+++ tier, and now with augmentation being here, those are two dps spots taken, the 3rd will be a melee most likely. It feels like boom, overnight, my opportunities to find a group diminished significantly.

Welp run your own keys, join a guild or make some friends.

@Draxen-hyjal

A couple issues that arise during the m+ run are that I have no idea if my damage is high or low or if the aug evoker is playing well or bad. Before, I used to get a lot of info out of the details charts, but now, I can’t interpret anything from the charts. Its kinda sad feeling like the meters don’t matter anymore. I really like damage meters, it makes the game fun. It feels like over night a part of the game just died. And yes, seeing over 600k on pulls is fun, but it just doesnt have the same feeling when its aug buffed.

That sounds like a you Problem.

@Draxen-hyjal

A third problem is the coordinated group disparity. I only pug, I have no friends that play this game and I’m on hawaii time zone so I cant raid.

Once again you problem

@Draxen-hyjal

I can see how augmentation would be completely busted on groups that can coordinate their CDs. My only concern is balancing. I hope that aug evoker groups dont cause balancing issues where the lower io players/ puggers struggle due to a lack of good nerfs because aug evoker coordinated groups skew the metrics.

Lol that already happens why do you think there’s a healer shortage right now?

@Draxen-hyjal

I dont really post on here but I just wanted to post this because it really feels like some core parts of the game just changed over night. E.G. - even harder to get into groups, dmg meters not being fun anymore, and not knowing if any of the players in my group are putting out good or bad numbers.

Welp if you REALLY want to know what unfun is in M+ you should try Healer like I’m currently leveling a Fire Mage because well Guild apparently needs mages and I need a new Main until Blizzard fixes healing.

[Hpellipsis-whisperwind (Hpellipsis)]

@Brewa-hyjal

Blizzard always overtunes the shiny new thing. How else are they going to bribe everyone to play it,

I think it’s less cynical this time. I think it was apparent from the onset that this spec would be an utter nightmare to balance and implement in a fair way and PTR testing data wasn’t going to cut it, so they deliberately left it above the bar to get as much live testing data from raid guilds and m+ as possible.

[Draxen-hyjal]

you keep writing “you problem” and yes, they are me problems, and if they are me problems, they are likely we problems.

[Mefara-stormrage]

That’s… so self centered. I agree, let’s end the conversation here.

[Hpellipsis-whisperwind (Hpellipsis)]

@Mefara-stormrage

That’s… so self centered.

It’s self centred in 20s, less so in 26s.

[Brewa-hyjal]

Yeah, but I don’t mean Aug specifically. Preservation was also overtuned and has gotten multiple rounds of nerfs.

It’s more Evokers in general, and the usual “the new class has to be overpowered in its launch expansion” shtick. We saw it with DK’s in Wrath, with Monks in MoP, with Demon Hunters in legion.

[Draxen-hyjal]

no no its not self-centered. Theres just no point in talking about it anymore is all.

[Hpellipsis-whisperwind (Hpellipsis)]

@Brewa-hyjal

Yeah, but I don’t mean Aug specifically. Preservation was also overtuned and has gotten multiple rounds of nerfs.

Yeah but dev also kinda sucked the whole of season 1, and monks weren’t all that great at the start of MoP if I remember rightly.

[Arrinity-area-52]

@Draxen-hyjal

but it feels like I lost something big.

By doing more damage?

Wut?

[Brewa-hyjal]

You know what, you’re right. I was thinking of Brewmasters on Blackhand, but that wasn’t until WoD.

Brewmasters on Blackhand is like this big Black Hole in my memory of Monks, with a gravity well so large that none of the memories before it can escape it.

[Draxen-hyjal]

Doesn’t feel genuine

[Fluffykíns-wyrmrest-accord]

No not really I have a Guild and Friends so just don’t have the money to pay for the medical bills I could end up having to pay due to how stressful healing is right now nor am I interested in risking making my Mental Health any worse then it already is

[Hpellipsis-whisperwind (Hpellipsis)]

I do think there’s an element of ‘New shiny spec rather overshoot than undershoot to boost metrics’ but a big thing is probably also trying to get as much live data from mythic raid teams as possible to get it tuned for the next tier.

It has to be strong enough to rock the boat for guilds to be willing to alter their progression strats to accommodate them.

[Brewa-hyjal]

Oh I get why they do it. It’s just become so… banal.

[Arrinity-area-52]

@Hpellipsis-whisperwind

‘New shiny spec rather overshoot than undershoot to boost metrics’

How is it in raid? Maybe with ebon might on 4 dps it’s “overtuned”.

I’ve only run a couple keys and looked through a bunch of logs and seems like a solid spec but it doesn’t carry the dps. Like if they were worried about dps you could just bring a second mage or another caster that would out dps the aug.

The utility it brings to keys is crazy though i think that’s where it shines. Maybe they can tune it with the “in a raid group passive” for raids if need be.

[Hpellipsis-whisperwind (Hpellipsis)]

@Arrinity-area-52

How is it in raid? Maybe with ebon might on 4 dps it’s “overtuned”.

It’s about 25-35% ahead of next best if you prescience a good opener target and then swap over to a sustained DPS and find the 2 minute specs for every breath of eons after that.

Also in keys with SP and fire mage it’s been keeping up as well as, as you say, providing ludicrous utility + defensive capabilities. Even without WCL tracking ignites Evoker contribution it’s been keeping up.