EDIT: I should have clarified that I’m talking about M+, and mostly from my experience of trying to tank on my paladin, but the forum wouldn’t let me switch to my paladin at the time, so I posted on my mage. No one cares about the point I’m trying to make because my mage has some crappy parses on raid content that is current progression for my team. Sue me. My team just started heroic. Whatever. I still think my advice is decent. I’m not a hypocrite, I take my own advice and I’m still learning too.
Disclaimer: I am not an expert. I know this. I’m not claiming to be a good player, I’m just a casual who did my homework, that is all. At least I don’t expect to be carried.
Google Raidbots and sim your character to see what your potential is. Get a DPS meter (I recommend Details). Look up a class guide. Icy veins, wowhead, youtube, whatever. The resources exist. Figure out how your class works. Go to a target dummy and do the rotation with your meter open and see what you can do in single target and multi-target. If you’re not reaching anywhere close to the sim, figure out why. Your problem is not gear, your problem is that you aren’t really playing your class. Figure it out. Ask a friend, look up another guide.
I am not playing my spec perfectly, but I’m able to play it correctly. Sometimes I goof up my timing and flub a proc, but when I go to a target dummy I’m close to my sim, and that’s my point. These people who have 265+ ilvl who can’t even get above 6k on a boss in m+ need to STOP FISHING FOR CARRIES AND LEARN HOW THEIR CLASS WORKS.
Thank you.
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That’s pretty condescending from a bloke with blue logs though
Figure it out. Ask a friend, look up another guide.
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I can’t say much on that regard when society teaches that method of gearing though I think it’s a waste of time telling them. I don’t use practice dummies when the world it self is more reliable.
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ah yes my favorite raid boss
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Of course you looked up my logs. Of course that’s the first thing you actually went to do, so that you could post on a level 10 alt to tell me that I’m bad.
I knew people like you would do this, which is why I wrote REPEATEDLY THAT I AM NOT A GREAT PLAYER. I’m just a player who understands my rotation and how my class works. The DPS that I lose to boss mechanics in raids is another matter entirely and is a work in progress, however I know how my class works.
But of course you chose to completely bypass the point of everything I wrote so that you could attack me for my raid logs.
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I simmed once this expac and I’m always top dps.
Idk what I’m doing other than MORE INFERNALS!!! but hey, it’s working though.
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Just adding on. For some specs like MM, your WEAPON is at least 10x more important to your dps than any other piece. Don’t be fooled by the ilvl calculation. Upgrading your bow first for 1000 valor is absolutely worth it, especially now that valor is uncapped. MM with 250 item level but a great weapon, vigil/unity and 4pc tier can easily break 20+ and be the top damage.
Hey, hey bro, you are aware that some specializations have to make a choice between talenting for aoe through put or talenting for single target, they can’t be both such as shadow who will be good at one or the other not both due to the current talent system.
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You literally made a thread to call people out, then you’re shocked people called you out for the same thing you’re calling others out for?
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Fair, so I should have clarified that I’m talking about M+. I am constantly getting into pug groups with DPS who have excellent gear and high ratings, but do like 3-5k DPS. I mean, I know I’m not great, but what even is dps under 5k in this current patch? In my mind that is not at all the same thing as having blue parses on raid logs.
Also, making some general statements about a community trend I see in M+ is not the same thing as acting like I am not allowed to have an opinion just because I’m not perfect either. So what, the only people who are allowed to even discuss this are people with purple and orange parses only? Is that what you’re saying?
To be fair a lot of things go into dealing with dungeons.
As melee sometimes you literally just can’t get a position on the boss without standing in tons of avoidable damage due to the positioning, or you are forced to attack from the front and deal with parries.
Sometimes you are the only player that can dispel a certain type of debuff on a boss and consistently have to deal with that, and there are many more examples.
Sure there will be some people who were carried or bought runs, but you can identify them if it’s a problem with your groups.
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OP, if you’re focusing on DPS meters and exact rotations instead of mechanics, you’re doing it wrong.
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Yes, that is me, and we’re having some trouble on heroic difficulty. You caught me and so what? If you look at the parses on normal you can see that it went better. I had mostly purples and an orange.
I guess you’re saying that I’m total garbage and have no right to an opinion because of my combination of purple and blue parses on normal and green/gray parses in heroic content that is progression for my team. Is that your point?
I haven’t done group content in a long time but I have a question.
Even though some people don’t want to study & get all indepth into everything their characters can do to the point of near perfection, don’t they at least contribute something to the group?
And are they really being carried?
My point isn’t that you have no right to an opinion; my point is that you are currently not in a position to tell others how to play when you yourself aren’t exactly performing as well as you’re expecting folks you play with to perform.
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Depends.
If someone’s FloorPoVing five seconds in on a boss, they are literally a waste of space in that group. In flex difficulties (Normal/Heroic) they’re doubly increasing the boss’s HP by not only existing in the group and thus scaling the boss to a larger amount but also dying immediately and just making a boss 25 players are participating in have a 26-man boss’s scaling. And on Mythic, this starts to cause problems in terms of what mechanics target who, etc. as well as making numerous DPS checks straight-up impossible.
Carries can contribute anything from a point of damage to slightly less than the bare minimum, but the fact of the matter is that the biggest contribution is actually allowing the boss to die.
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How many raid bosses have you done where everything was down to the wire? If the encounter had lasted another 4 seconds it would have been a wipe…?? No. What would happen if you took the TOP DPS on a raid boss and had him do the same DPS as the bottom DPS, IT WOULD STILL BE WINABLE!!
So sick of people who think the raid could not be done without them due to their DPS when the truth is, they could just not join the raid and we could still succeed without them. I would rather stuck-up people NOT be in the raid honestly.
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This exactly. There is nothing wrong with people playing at whatever level they want but if they are choosing to try and push keys and are genuinely bad then they are just fishing for carries like you said.
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I agree with you that I am not in a position to speak with authority on “how to play”, which is why my original post was not a prescription on how to play, it was meant to try to nudge people toward doing the research themselves. I know I’m not perfect either, but I am no hypocrite. I am taking my advice, but at least I am trying to learn, and I do well enough in m+ to make friends after good runs and get invited back for more. Your screenshot of my progression parses (yeah we’re wiping on progression, so what?) does not mean that I have no idea how to play my class, and I said already (repeatedly) that I am a work in progress too.