To preface, I’m the solo developer that maintains all of the WoW Classic, TBC Classic, Wrath Classic, (and yes even Cata Classic when that becomes a thing) database code across all versions of the game for the Classic port of the AllTheThings addon. (ATT-Classic)
I originally came over from Retail after it became apparent to me that that version of the game no longer had my best interest as a Completionist at heart. It simply became too time consuming and difficult to keep up on my own collection while also working on the addon.
This loot change where you move all of the 25 man loot to 10 man after the phase is over might sound attractive to some, but as someone that maintains the loot tables in the addon, how exactly do you expect developers like me to keep up with this change effectively? Is there some UI provided by the game client such as the Dungeon Journal that will reflect this new information to players? Specifically, the Herald of the Titans achievement states that you can only use loot available to 10 man ulduar, do players suddenly have the ability to overgear that achievement to make it meaningless by abusing it with 25 man Ulduar loot or will they need to grind Heroic Dungeons to get the loot that is usually available in 10 man Ulduar?
What about the 10 man loot moving to the Heroic Dungeons? Is it gonna be a currency that you get for completing the dungeon that you can then go to a vendor or something to get the loot or is the loot distributed randomly throughout the dungeons where you’ll have to go to Oculus to get the trinkets or something? I’d like for you to elaborate more on this. Where and how is the new loot gonna be obtained? What happens to the 10 man Naxx loot when 10 man Ulduar loot moves to the Heroic Dungeons? Does it become unobtainable? I don’t think you understand how bad this has the potential to be for Completionists.
Wrath of the Lich King Classic is what we asked for and you’re giving us “Reforged”. Need I remind you that this is not what we asked for. I don’t know who you’re talking to about changes, but you need to stop listening to clowns. Every time you do you make my job harder.
I mean, yeah probably. People are going to sell Heroic carries for achievements and stuff already, so it doesn’t really change much other than make achievement hunting for new players harder by making them do the achievements in a harder difficulty Heroic setting with less geared players wanting to run the lower settings if they make each tier of “more difficult Heroics” a different tier. Base tier Heroic Dungeons will be a ghost town.
The word “Classic” implies the older version of the game. I didn’t need to ask for it, it’s implied. How about you ask for “Reforged” since that’s this new version of the game they’re making.
He can speak for me , I agree with this post. Kind of out of left field with such an impactful change like this that completely reworks ALL of the previous tiers loot along with heroic dungeons
I maintain an addon devoted to showing everything as it was to the T based on legacy historical data and now the data no longer matches anything in the game. It’s no longer the same game.
I’m not asking them to, I’m asking them to stop making changes that destroy the integrity of the data associated with the original game. Changing loot, moving loot, adding extra difficulties. You might as well change the name since it’s not the same game anymore.
This is arguably one of the best changes they’ve done, I can’t even wrap my head around someone complaining about it.
Pros:
Makes 5 man content that people will want to do, and will be rewarding to do.
Makes 5 man content that is at least in theory, more engaging than the outlandishly easy heroic dungeons.
Makes old raids still relevant, so you don’t end up with content that just doesn’t get done anymore.
Cons:
Makes your specific addon break/harder to maintain?
Loot elitists freaking out that 5 man content gives raid gear.
Goes against the purity spiral, that insist wrath classic must be exactly like the original. Even if a change would actually IMPROVE the spirit of the game.
Just like killing RFD reinforces community, and cross realm wintergrasp was required thanks to lopsided faction balance on most servers, this was a healthy change for the game, and people I know, along with myself. Are very excited to see how it pans out.
Look, I’m not saying these are bad changes. I’m saying that these changes don’t belong in the “Classic” version of the game. If they wanted to make a “Season of Mastery” or “Reforged” version of Wrath, I’d be alllll for that. Change it up there, but not in the classic version. Keep the Classic vision as it was.
I’m very much aware. It’s just a lot of work for one guy.
I like entitled people who think they speak for everybody.
Yes, some people want the exact same game as it was, and those people will probably quit as soon as it’s over, and some want them to fix what started to go wrong and why the game started declining.
Personally I’d much better have a remastered version with new UI and new models and animations, but I am happy with what they are offering. Even some pservers have the new models so not like it’s a novelty.