Atrociously Bad Writing in Midnight

Yes, it is. You just don’t know the lore because you don’t read anything.

As far as the Alliance declaring war, it happened in Wrath of the Lich King:

They have lost the Undercity? Then the time to strike is now. We will deal with Putress ourselves and retake the Ruins of Lordaeron for the Alliance!

–A Royal Coup

Here we see Varian justify a revanchist invasion of Horde territory when he’s under the impression the Horde lost it.

King Varian Wrynn says: THRALL! HERE?
King Varian Wrynn says: ONWARD! We end this now!

King Varian Wrynn says: I was away for too long. My absence cost us the lives of some of our greatest heroes. Trash like you and this evil witch were allowed to roam free – unchecked.
King Varian Wrynn says: The time has come to make things right. To disband your treacherous kingdom of murderers and thieves. Putress was the first strike. Many more will come.
King Varian Wrynn says: I’ve waited a long time for this, Thrall. For every time I was thrown into one of your damned arenas… for every time I killed a green-skinned aberration like you… I could only think of one thing.
King Varian Wrynn says: What our world could be without you and your twisted Horde… It ends now, Warchief.
King Varian Wrynn says: ATTACK! FOR STORMWIND! FOR BOLVAR! FOR THE ALLIANCE!

For too long have the Horde been left unchecked. We allowed their territories to prosper and in return for our generosity they plotted and planned our demise.
Peace? Useless… it’s gotten us nowhere. We have lost some of our greatest heroes to “peace.” Let us see what battle brings.

–The Battle For the Undercity (Alliance)

When alerted to the presence of Thrall & Sylvanas, Varian, despite KNOWING that the Horde was innocent of the Wrathgate, decides to attack them with the aim of decapitating Horde leadership and abolishing the Horde outright.

As far as the ceasefire goes:

Garrosh referred to a treaty between the Horde and the Alliance, signed shortly after the fall of the Lich King. Both factions had been sorely damaged by the long battle, and both sides had agreed to a cessation of hostilities, including the struggles at Alterac Valley, Arathi Basin, and Warsong Gulch, for a brief time.

“The Shattering,” p19

And do note that this excerpt from “The Shattering” not only is evidence of the ceasefire, but further reinforces the above quest text from Wrath of the Lich King about the Alliance starting the war.

As to the question of “who broke the ceasefire?” It’s actually very simple. We know for a fact that Garrosh’s first major offensive against the Alliance was in Ashenvale, as that’s where his war aims are centered. We see that in “Wolfheart;” however we ALSO know from “Wolfheart” that Garrosh’s Ashenvale offensive begins AFTER the Cataclysm. And yet, we see that the Alliance breaks the ceasefire and invades Horde territory again BEFORE the Cataclysm:

(Gossip) Kilrok, how did we lose Honor’s Stand?
It was a clever ruse, . Alliance forces streamed out of Northwatch and marched up the gold road, besieging Crossroads as dusk fell. Then, in the heart of the night, they force-marched southward, leaving their campfires burning behind.
Our meager forces at Honor’s Stand were caught unawares as the Alliance poured through the pass at dawn’s first light. Many of our bravest warriors fell before their blades.
(Gossip) This was before the Cataclysm?
Yes. We regrouped east of the pass and prepared a counter-attack, but the next day, the skies reddened and the land was cleaved in two, as easily as a child might split open a cactus apple. See how the devastation stretches from horizon to horizon?

–Kilrok Gorehammer

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kinda like when T dies

easy change is to just have his body moved from AU draenor to our outland or something. could bs a reason like “orcs traditionally get buried with their ancestors (from this universe*)”

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This is what Metzen told us, it probably was influenced by Microsoft if not outright instigated, whoever thought it was a good idea is undoubtably responsible for the current mess.

Chris Metzen on the Worldsoul Saga - WowCast - Wowhead News

  • Metzen came back to a team “much more democratized” in Dragonflight than when he left, and had to find his place in the new dynamic compared to before, and listening to the instincts rather than having as large a voice
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That does not equate to Democratic meetings at Blizzard, & now you are moving the goal post since those 2 things are not equal :eyes:

Bye! Take care!

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If you can’t take Metzens word on the subject, then you’ve already buried your head in the sand.

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I think it’s best for everyone’s interest if you stop commenting if I’m honest, you’ve said nothing helpful and been the most immature person in this entire thread doing nothing but throwing pop shots at people.

For those of us enjoying the reading when we have a little time, please stop replying since you aren’t interested in acting like an adult with everyone else.

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only if it’s presented in the form of a world event where garrosh supporters have to guard his funeral procession while everyone else tries to gank them all until his corpse falls out

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well considering who is writing this garbage, being morally compromised isnt beyond them, i would say it is their forte. They have been exposed as vile everywhere else, dunno why anyone would think that they were a different flavor at blizzard.

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Vulpera really are scavengers at heart :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

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I honestly think if it doesn’t have anything to do with Slyvanas, they hate it.

Garrosh still having fans of the storyline he was part of? Go mess with his grave, maybe slap his grandmother in the face and kill his puppy.

The current WoW story is Teen Disney and they can’t do any better because writing new characters and storylines that people don’t hate is hard for them. For some reason.

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Because Acti/Blizz was scared of lawsuits and so they put a bunch of people in positions they weren’t qualified for.

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It’s insane how many big game companies are doing that …

They end up burning 100s of millions of dollars and they still keep doing it. It’s like upper management has learning disabilities.

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Ah yes, conspiracy theories, the most common thing to find in every negative post about the game…

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It has been all of media the last 10 years or so. Movies, TV, music, sports. Seems like the trend is finally starting to die out just a shame Blizz got on the train at the tail end of it here, will probably be a while longer before they start to get it together again.

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Frankly, I fear they might never get off the train.

Right now, the trend is dying out because companies are going bankrupt. Blizzard though will probably never go bankrupt. As long as Ion and his team can keep the gameplay fun, the game will live, and the writers can mooch of the game’s success … indefinitely.

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Maybe. I think when/if the majority of the games start getting back to good traditional story telling Blizz will follow suit like a bunch of lemmings but who knows. Some companies like Disney seem intent on going down with the ship and with M$ providing the backing Blizz might as well. All we can do is hope for the best once this runs its course.

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Oh look, another thread where people are using “bad writing” to mean “doesn’t adhere to my beliefs and preferences”… and imagining that the ideological bugbears that a bunch of grifters and zealots have conned them into fearing are behind everything and anything that doesn’t fit their exact tastes in the world…

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I like what I like. I don’t like what I don’t like. :man_shrugging:

Nothing more to it.

It seems many people share the same taste as me as many of the games I don’t like go down in flames resulting in 100s of millions of dollars in losses for the game companies - and the closure of many.

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This definitely feels like a very awkward quest. And yeah, MAJOR issues with the inconsistency about AU Draenor.

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