Atrociously Bad Writing in Midnight

I would wager you put far more thought into it then the writers did. I think your interpretation is really well thought out, but I don’t see anything in the game lately that leads me to believe the Blizz writing room puts that much effort into it. I would wager the answer is much simpler.

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Once I saw the language that Gamon was using, it pretty much clicked.

It’s not even the first time they’ve brought up PTSD in WoW.

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See my previous gripes about writers who put The StoryTM above coherent worldbuilding and consistent characterization, who think that narrative/plot is all that matters, and that characters and setting exist only to move those things along.

Who think it’s fine if the character’s favorite food changes every season because they want to do a scene in a different sort of restaurant or something… who think it’s fine if the character forgets they can pick locks because they want to do a locked room episode… who think it’s fine if the island the show is set on had a major international airport or a dirt field just big enough for island-hopping turboprops, and a population between 10k and 100k, and etc, depending on the vibe they want for that episode.

That’s what keeps happening to WOW… characters change, and the world changes, to suit the immediate needs of the StoryTM that the writers want to do this expansion or patch.

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Well that is just media in general. You have 100 people listen to a song and you will get 100 different answers as to what the song is about. While I think your reaction to the quest is entirely valid, and if you or someone close to you is dealing with that and it helps you to see that, then go for it. I’m not trying to pee in your Cheerios here.

I just think a simpler answer is probably the correct one. Someone else earlier mentioned this is likely the writers taking shots at someone who worked on and/or was a fan of Garrosh. Or it is just as simple as Sylvanas has bobs. Degrading the male characters to prop up the female ones is certainly a recurring trend the last couple xpacs.

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Gotta remember that about the Kor’kron next time someone tries to pull a “Garrosh did nothing wrong” out of their backside.

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You could start a whole debate about who was worse, Garrosh or Sylvanas. Both ended up getting the overused cliché of “was actually being controlled by a higher power.”
That said, I’d argue that Garrosh, as brutal and violent as he was, was still miles better than Sylvanas before that cliché kicked in.

They were both basically Saturday morning cartoon villains anyway, which is why I find it ridiculous that the devs are now bending over backwards to portray one as a poor misunderstood victim while dancing on the other’s grave.

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Oh please tell me more about Microsoft having democratic meetings over this game. I truly want to know… please show me where I can sign up! :clown_face:

Is it suit & tie, or do I need a tux? Or perhaps, does this require zoom meeting? Can I discuss how much I hate Pathfinder while I am at it? :stuck_out_tongue:

Oh no, another Tauren upset at Garrosh for being mean to him in the Horde. I’ve said this years back, but Tauren are not worth being in the Horde with how preachy and treacherous they act. Baine is a disgrace.

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You thought it was going to suddenly start getting better?

The writing has sucked post Legion and only gone farther and farther downhill.

Don’t expect it to change any time soon.

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If you do, it’s worth remembering that Gamon was the assistant to Tazan, a Jungle Troll unaffiliated with the Horde who traded with the Southsea Pirates harassing the Horde in the Barrens & was rightfully killed off by Horde Rogues.

Fast forwarding to Patch 5.3, we see Gamon getting into an armed standoff with the Kor’kron. That’s the context for the Kor’kron beating him later in SoO.

I don’t have many tears to shed for a belligerent habitual drunk, who hung out with criminal smuggling elements outside the Horde getting questioned on the eve of a siege, and beaten after he resists arrest. I consider that basically par for the course.

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I can’t imagine still caring about this games story after 4 consecutive xpacs of utter slop

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It is really weird how they continually seethe that people like Garrosh as a character so much that they can’t help themselves from digging up his grave so to speak just to spit on him over and over yet arguably worse characters like Sylvanas get excused and pushed hard by them.

Like everyone’s just supposed to forget and forgive all the stuff she did. Strange behavior by Blizzard.

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“It’s OK if the police beat someone for resisting arrest” is about the sort of vibe I’m coming to expect from the Garrosh did nothing wrong” crowd.

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Wartime begets extreme measures. Orgrimmar was put under martial law. Political bodies only have legitimacy through a monopoly on violence anyhow. It is what it is :woman_shrugging:

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Part of that might be that at least inside the game, Garrosh was a raging warmonger from the moment we first meet him… while Sylvanas at least starts out as a sympathetic character and then gets villain-flanderized over the course of several expansions.

Not going to defend the “Sylvie did nothing wrong” crowd, but… the context is a bit different.

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Not at any point in WoW. Far back as vanilla her and the Forsaken were pretty much at Saturday Morning Cartoon Villain status. After Wrath they did start to ramp up the villainy until after Legion they just went completely off the cliff with it, but she was never a “sympathetic” character. Maybe you mean back in WC3? I can’t speak to that, but never in WoW’s timeline.

I first “met” Sylvanas in Warcraft (the RTS).

And there were still sympathetic elements to her in WOW at the start.

The character was ruined by a slow drip of poison (the poison of idiots being given creative control) over years, rather than starting out as an obvious “GLORY AND BLOOD AND RACE!” warmongering bigot.

No follow up for what actually happens when you go to the grave, but already this mad about it?

Even if the quest goes just like it’s seeming, you’re grabbing pieces that have already been torn from the grave, not desecrating it yourself.

This seems like a strange slope of the “bad writing in Midnight” hill to die on.

This part is wrong, that happened when she was stabbed by Arthas turning her into the Banshee Queen.

Fair enough, I never played the rts. I’m vaguely familiar with the events but can’t really say one way or the other.

Vanilla WoW they were keeping human captives in the bowels of Undercity to test plagues on. No, not much sympathy to be had there.