You’ve specifically lobbied for RDF. RDF wasn’t in the game in Ulduar. You want changes.
- dual spec wasn’t in the game until Ulduar but came out in prepatch.
- remote BG queue wasn’t in the game until Ulduar but came out in prepatch.
- random BG queue didn’t enter the game until ICC, but came out in prepatch.
- refund purchases did not come until Ulduar, but we got it in prepatch.
- equipment manager did not come until after Ulduar, but we got it in prepatch.
- ground mounts at 20/40 instead of 40/60 did not come until TOGC, but we got it in prepatch
- flying mounts at 60, with flight speed of 150% did not come until TOGC, but we got it in prepatch
and lets not forget H+ and crossrealm arena teams, those were never a function of original Wrath, but you clamoured for those changes i bet. probably even praised them for “doing classic+”
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Buddy I wanted to start in patch 3.0 and have an organic progression, adding in RDF in ICC simply because that’s when it came out and would’ve been true to the original timeline despite me not wanting it.
I wanted server specific Wintergrasp.
I wanted Wrath, with no compromises, because as soon as you cross the line to making one change, you cross the line to nearly any change. Look at the # of changes to Vanilla Classic vs Wrath Classic with the “somechanges” philosophy.
Stomping through these raids with end-expansion talents and abilities is silly.
Also keep in mind the only reason it came out in 3.3 was because of how long it took to develop it. They wanted it in at launch.
Source: Rob Pardo’s interview:
https://www.escapistmagazine.com/five-years-of-warcraft-speaking-with-blizzards-rob-pardo/
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Kind of cringe making up a new acronym for the dungeon finder. But you keep doing you, classic.
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RDF is a feature of patch 3.3, which is the version we’re playing.
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Except for it referencing rolling dice, something you did while making a character in D&D, which the entire concept of RPGs stems directly from…though considering everything else, thinking this absolute nonsense explains a lot when it’s easy to figure out the reasoning behind the common term.
Now if only the entire #nochanges crowd had thought far enough ahead to realize that was going to be the case from day one.
Not gonna lie, following the first half will most likely make sure the latter never happens; with the number of people raid-logging, the idea of Dungeon Finder not being in Wrath Classic at all will turn them into canceled subs. At this point, were it not for private servers being potentially shut off at any point, they’d probably be a better bet than Blizz servers.
That being said, might wanna remove the “former” from the discussion name, since the only way that’s true is that you’ve tripled down on an already-moronic position instead of maintaining some level of relatability.
In the sense that the twist is “I’m Slim Pickens at the end of Dr. Strangelove” when it comes to Classic surviving.
A disturbing number of people did, even down to the point that the server hardware was going to be similar to Vanilla. 
Besides the reasoning being an extremely-soiled pair of pants, it ends up being something like a zero-sum game where the whiniest people get what they want and the rest of us end up quitting the game, meaning it doesn’t have enough of a playerbase to continue going, and no one wins.
If you mean “RDF,” it’s not exactly new since the original name was just Dungeon Finder and it appends Random to it, which for the most part is the primary function of the tool itself.
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Curiously enough, ICC isn’t out, nor is Onyxia. You got caught in a lie that you never wanted any changes, and are now trying to weasel out on a technicality LOL. We’re not in Patch 3.3. We have the Talents and a few features from that patch.
If you’ve lobbied for RDF in Naxx-era content, you’ve want changes.
Like the Paladins, Ferals, and soon to be fury warriors?
What about guild banks
BG Q from anywhere
etc
Those came out well before they historically should have. Pretty rough to call someone a liar and then ignore the very clear precedent for similar systems being released well ahead of their patch in classic.
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Shadows DID lie. Shadows advocated for changes. Shadows advocated for RDF in Naxx.
I’ve made it very clear I wanted everything to be released in its original order, starting with patch 3.0 as broken as it may have been, and progressed chronologically. That includes adding RDF in ICC as much as I may have been opposed to it, because principally, I wanted no changes. Do not conflate Blizzard’s stance on changes vs my own. They were the ones who said “#SomeChanges”, not me.
I almost doubled down but I read up farther instead of just going off the skimming as I did prior. Still not really a lie, it just conflicts with how you would like classic to be.
I would say however based on the way similar systems have been added to classic that if RDF was in the cards for this version of wrath that it would follow things like guild banks and be added on launch or soonest after.
I am with you on this and this is what I hoped classic would be. Not a set and forget game as it is now.
You’re confusing content with features. Onyxia is content. RDF is a feature. Being on patch 3.3 means we should have all patch 3.3 features. That includes RDF. Wanting RFD isn’t a change.
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Just think of it as people doing Naxx during patch 3.3 in OG WotLK, which people DID do. I was one of them.
I didn’t give a fraction of a crap about where Ret (the spec I play) sits on the raid charts and probably never will; I enjoy the class, so I play it, and the “buff” doesn’t affect anything I do.
That’s because Razorfen Downs is already in the game. 
its kinda wild to me that you post this whole wall of text perfecting listing why your take is trash and you have no idea what is good or needed for the game, and out the blue tries to ask for something as if you were being smart.
Like you really thought you were gonna have the literal same experience people had 15y ago? imagine being this clueless 
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No it does not. And the distinction is a false one invented by RDF lovers on the Classic forums, nowhere else, and I myself as well as Blizzard completely reject that disingenuous framework.
Ask a Blizzard developer what patch 3.3 brought and they’d say first and foremost ICC. We’re not in 3.3 because we don’t have that. We’re not in 3.3 because we don’t have RDF. We merely have 3.3.5’s class balancing. It is a total misrepresentation of truth to state we’re in patch 3.3, and done intentionally so by you in an attempt to rationalize your argument. Your premise is flawed, so it makes sense your logical conclusion is flawed, too.
Content, features, and class balancing (along with more) all go into patches. Being in favor of 3.3.5 talents during Naxx and Ulduar is a change in and of itself. You can “think of it” however you may please, but it is not the case, because if I were doing Naxx in 3.3, ICC would be out and I’d be forgoing doing that to do a botched version of Naxx when it was primary content given the class changes, which is what we got.
Your entire premise hinges upon the false separation of content and features from one another with regards to patches.
Personally I’m horrible at acronyms so I’m wondering is anybody else wondering why this guy is upset about the Robotech defense force?
Think is where that whole “content is not features” thing comes into play.
Also, just based on the nonsense you’ve spouted (saying that as probably the only person who’s read everything) wouldn’t a private server be a better idea instead of urinating in our drinking water like you are now?
I’m not sure how well cataclysm would work without RDF.
My entire last post, the one you directly took that quote from, addressed that disingenuous rationalization