Arthas is not gone!

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Here’s a thought, and it’s very well known already WOTLK classic is just around the corner.

Nostalgia sells, there is no WoW without Arthas, there’s literally no forsaken, no northrend, no Sylvanis. Without Arthas, you quite literally wouldn’t have W3, WOTLK, BFA, an entire race, entire zones, continents, by bringing him back in some plot twist in the last few bosses of the SOTFO you not only prepare the next expansion, you also fire up everyone’s nostalgia for arguably one of the greatest expacs.

Money talks, and there is far too much behind him.

It’s no mystery that no one has no idea what’s going to happen next, where the story is going, who/ how the last boss (the jailor) is going to be.

Let’s start some theories here as to how this plays out.

MY GUESS would be, as it has been with everyone in SL some sort of redemption arc for Arthas.

As Zovaal nears his end, Arthas fragmented soul re-appears, frostmourn in hand, pointing at Zovaal and declares no king lasts for ever, and now you shall serve! Declaring there is only darkness in your future! Then absorbs Zovaal into frostmourn, Arthas then disappears into a portal, opened by the void lords……

And thus…… begins our venture into the land of the void.

Conversely, the same can be written, however the opposite can happen and it could be entirely light bound driven as there is also that option.

What’s everyone’s theories here?

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All hope is lost. The story is irrevocably destroyed. RIP the many casualties of this profoundly horrid writing.

Yogg speed 10.0 with greatest haste, and may there be glorious new piggeh mounts.

That’s all I got.

:neutral_face:

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I’m probably going to regret upsetting the arthas fans because they lack any logic when it comes to that character but I’m going to say it.

People are acting like Arthas was just reduced to a wisp and died. This is not the case, you literally have to fight his essence and all his old powers in the raid fight. It’s a damn key mechanic to the fight and is an end of the raid tier level boss fight.

He ended like he did in WOTLK, a tragic result of someone used as a tool by higher powers.

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People are talking specifically about the cinematic, but the fight doesn’t help. Because it feels like why drag him out again, just to do another fight but have a far worse cinematic after?

Things that will always be crap about it:

  • Having Sylvanas lecture him when she’s guilty of the same.

  • Having no one else say much even though Sylvanas had a cinematic already and takes up all the screen time after dominating screen time in BFA.

  • This whole expac story trying to upend what should have been an end in Wrath. Everything about this story should have ended there. No Jailer shoe-horn into everything.

If modern writers want to let go of the old and just write their own thing, then just let it go. There was no reason to introduce Arthas just to play out things in a similar fashion with a far worse cinematic. And from Sylvanas being made Warchief, after Vol’jin had been killed by a trash mob, the story has sucked.

Horde got completely wrecked by this whole thing and given a dumb council. All of this needs to have been a nightmare or an alt reality in Caverns of Time. Because it’s all garbage. Including the sword stuck in Azeroth that gets ignored.

Both Arthas and Sylvanas’ stories should have ended with ICC. Anything after that point ruined them both.

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Would you (or any kind Swarf enlightening person) tell me what this council is? It occurs to me that I have no idea who is running the Horde now.

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Several racial leaders that we have not seen since the council was implemented.

It’s supposed to be all of them, but we only ever really see Thrall, Baine and Lor’themar. Sometimes Thalryssa. But there is also Rokhan, Lilian Voss, Gazlowe, Ji Firepaw, Geya’rah, Talanji and Kiro.

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Oh wow, so the council consists of representatives of every Horde race? Niiiiice.

How come Alliance doesn’t have something like that?! At least the Dwarves have good sense and have a little council thing going.

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You all can have the council. They can then make Ghost Loa Vol’jin Warchief. Vol’jin was done especially dirty. And the so-called conclusion to his story was very off to the side.

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Arthad is not going to get a redemption arc. His entire purpose was to play a part in Sylvanas’ story, like it or not.

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They don’t have that system because the individual nations of the Alliance are largely autonomous anyway. The high king is more of a figurehead leader. He doesn’t have the power to stop unsanctioned events like Jaina’s purge of Dalaran, Velen’s invasion of Argus, and Tyrande’s war against the Forsaken in Kalimdor.

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Arthas hadn’t been much more than a footnote in the other character’s stories for more than a decade after the end of WotLK. I’m not sure “he was an important character, so it must mean he’s not gone for good!” is very sound reasoning. It’s possible they could bring him back in some capacity (be it through the soul fragments or alternate worlds/timelines) but it seems like the least necessary thing in the world.

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They didn’t have to redeem him. Just don’t bring him back at all. And don’t make the Jailer and the sea witch as part of some 3-D chess game behind that story. They should have just ended everything with Wrath. Writers have a hard time handling older characters, so just keep making their own and lore for them.

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Post-Wrath, yes. But that statement could equally be applied to Uther and Jaina.

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They didn’t. We never interact with the real/current Arthas a single time this entire expansion. It’s all flashbacks, memories, or remnants of his power.

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His soul was tossed into the Maw to open the expac.

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Which was a flashback to an event that happened long before any of the characters in the story knew what the Shadowlands even were.

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Let the dead rest. Finish your story and move on. Have repercussions, have call backs to moments that were foreshadowed, but don’t keep digging up the dead horse to beat it more.

Not really blizzards writing style though

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Sure, but it’s a retcon that they dragged out. Same with the Jailer. This is all shoe-horned stuff they didn’t have to do.

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Characters are not people. They are props to do with whatever the writer whims. Jaina, Anduin, Bolvar, Thrall, Baine, and Taelia have been destroyed for the sake of Sylvanas Windrunner, the Main Protagonist, who should’ve died years ago, but the power of lazy writing keeps her in the story.

I am so cynical of WoW characters and the story going forward. The Eternals, the Margraves, and especially that plank called Pelagos are all awful.

The only character is genuinely like is Denathrius and Bwonsamdi because they haven’t been turned to mush by the writers yet.

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they (technically) do… each nation has it’s own autonomy as Rorrand pointed out, but we’ve had times where war councils are called will all the racial leaders, though they’re not usually shown in the story.

I’m hiding under the table from the writers :shushing_face:…