On one side you have Arthas. He was a pretty bad mofo, raising DKs in an expansion worthy power grab.
…on the other you got Bolvar. A weak, “derp, look at me I’m morally strong and will sit on the ice chair for you” character. In his weakest of his many weak moments he panicked and raised everything DK and still lost his only title fight to Sylvanas.
My rambling point to all this is shouldn’t DKs in SL be weaker than their Arthas raised counterparts? Having an Arthas raised DK should qualify you for an automatic faceroll win over a DK raised in the Bolvar era. Not really, but it should.
Not so deep, but thoughtful replies welcome.
2 Likes
Lore wise, maybe. Gameplay wise? Heck no!
We have never gotten a good scale of Bolvars power, and he did raise a sunstrider.
Also how much of their power is from the raiser? For example: would a raised peon be as powerful as Mograine if they were both raised by arthas? Does that make sense?
I think saying that allied dks are weaker than core dks isnt really a thing.
3 Likes
I fail to see how preventing the zombie apocalypse and being victimized by the pen qualifies as ‘weak.’
6 Likes
Its because Bolvar never really did anything to show he was strong as the lich king. His one moment to do so was against sylvanas where he got spanked.
I dont think that he is as weak as people seem to think, but he is weaker than arthas was.
But i dont think that will effect his raised dks tha much. I think who is being rezzed matters more than who is rezzing.
1 Like
I always thought of Arthas as the more powerful LK…though I’m not so sure.
Maybe there’s a better explanation out there that completely counters this–but didn’t he tap into the helm’s power at will to fight Sylvanas? Did Arthas have such control at any point?
I feel like in any cheesy story, this indicates significantly more latent power! I’m guessing Bolvar will power up throughout Shadowlands.
Bolvar the Jailer
Arthas was more powerful by far an example of how much blizzard has nerfed dks into the ground.
4 Likes
Bolvar wasn’t weak, Sylvanas was just backed by a stronger power. The Lich King isn’t the top of the food chain. And Bolvar raised death knights are still just as strong. He was the one who empowered us to raise the Horsemen in Legion and they’re plenty capable.
3 Likes
I guess that is what happens when a wow character gets SSJ powers.
1 Like
Arthas is also really LK personified. He had awesome Frostmourne and he really embraced being LK. Bolvar really was a reluctant LK.
1 Like
Shadowlands-era dks are going to start at level 1, so yes, they will be weaker.
Yikes! Im glad glad my DKs were raised in the Arthas era where lvl 1 was a past life and shortly after awakening we got booed and hissed at in Org before being accepted.
1 Like
A useless one with no claim to the throne.
This isn’t an accomplishment.
1 Like
huh, huh… the LOOSER BOLVAR NEED A ENCOUNTER VS THE ORIGINAL AND THE TRUE LICH KING ARTHAS…
The answer is how Bolvar loses everything.
-
Arthas caused fear of the FEMALE EMPOWERMENTS OF SYLVIA AND JAINA, and that would cause him to pee her in her empowered pants if he were alive for more powerful they have become after WotLK.
-
he’s rule the Vrykul and enslave the Valkyrs by making him more powerful your army.
-
at ICC Arthas entrance had giant skeletons, powerful ghouls with blades in their hands and skeleton magicians with great frost power at the entrance that caused a terror to approach, Bolvar seems to have brought his Warcraft 3 undead units no matter what power was increasing during The 5 years.
in Definity, ARTHAS RLZ…
I am guessing his assessment is coming from his honey boo beating him and stealing his helmet.
The Val’Kyr that Arthas had created are different than other Val’Kyr, and they serve only The Lich King.
Bolvar was right, there must always be a Lich King, Sylvanas will not prevent that for long.
No, because they were made using the exact same necromatic powers. And people make too much out of Bolvar losing to Sylvanas. It didn’t matter of it was Arthas instead, she was going to win no matter what. The story demanded she win so she could tear the veil between the realms.
2 Likes
Bolvar certainly didn’t appear weak
He had a huge army of undead at his beck and call (which Sylvanas casually off-screen’d), he took the arrows shot at him like they were nothing (unfortunately he didn’t realize they were apparently chain arrows or something), he certainly could swing that hammer and even used Remorseless Winter very effectively
Also he’s a Jedi and can throw rocks
He seemed perfectly strong, and it was a disservice that he wasn’t even able to land a single blow 'cause Sylvanas
Sure she had to win but to dab on Bolvar like that was pretty gross
1 Like
Uhhh it would matter quite a bit if it had been Arthas, being that he captured her to begin with.
Arthas was Sylvanas’ one chance at greatness and she’s used it far less effectively than Arthas himself could have if he had that second chance.
Sylvanas owes all of her girl power, quite ironically, to a man.
1 Like
The army of Pandaren DKs will show you who’s the strongest. 
2 Likes