Well during my week long suspension for jokingly saying "Snitches get stitches " i decided to play WC 3 again. And…the map they show and the evens doesnt make sense.
Strahnbrad, Brill, andorhal ,hearthglen and stratholme was in a straight line like on the same road when wow map shows that Brill was way west of Andorhal and Hearthglen was way west of Stratholme. It was not north of one another like in the map.
In WOTLk it showed Arthas and the First Legion was ALL the way in Icecrown south east of Aldur’Thar gate. So… How did his army make their way there with out running into the Trolls of Zul Drak and why did the Trolls of Zul Drak not attack the invaders? Also why were there no comment about Crystal Song Forest? And how did they even get into Ice Crown? Was it by the Decrepit flow or did they go up through what is now the Argent Vanguard? I thought that spot was made by the Argent Crusade to find yet another way into Ice Crown.
3, Frostmourne. So in the WC3 Campaign he took a teleport in Icecrown somewhere and ended up in Frostmourne cavern. There no no such “Waygate” in Icecrown OR Frostmourne Caveren.
So did he just walk back all the way from Ice Crown into Crystal song forest then finally the Crystal Crystal Vice by Forstmourne Caveren?
…Like how the hell did that Campaign really go? How were they able to ignore Utgarde Keep fill with Vykrul when they Passed that part. Why did they have to cut down the trees to get to the forgotten coast? When it doesn’t show any real restriction base on Wow map for them to get back?
On another note. In The Frozen Throne…how did Maiev miss the huge magical dome that was Suramar City when she was in Suramar? Like no comment? Really? And what ever happened to that Orc Warlock that was being haunted by the dead of the Stormreaver clan? He was just chilling out in Suramar.
As far as I know WoW was made concurrently alongside WC3…their map should be a lot more accurate yet Wow actual map invalidates a lot of the WC3 maps.
Arthas and his men made landfall in southern Dragonblight. That was where the ships were that he would later burn to prevent his men from retreating.
There was no Wrath Gate or Icecrown Citadel built at that time so it was a straight shot from Dragonblight to the Icecrown Glacier. This completely bypasses the Vykrul and the Drakkari Empire.
Yes Arthas discovered Frostmourne off in some cave in Storm Peaks thanks to Muradin Bronzebeard.
No the maps in WC3 are not created one for one in WoW. No WC3 and WoW were not made concurrently, especially not the later expansions where you are finding inconsistencies.
From WC3 to WoW, the map of the world had to be changed, adjusted, filled out with settlements and forts and outposts. Things were re-shuffled. As an example, while in TFT Kael’thas was on Cross Isle, there is no Cross Isle anywhere in World of Warcraft, unless Fenris Keep is on Cross Isle, which makes no sense as it doesn’t seem to be associated with Dalaran at all.
Again, when building the world, they updated the maps and changed things. Reforged might touch up on this.
To be fair, just because we didn’t take a teleport to Frostmourne Cavern, doesn’t mean it never existed. It’s possible the Scarlets outside the cavern dug it out and made it accessible by foot. I imagine we’ll learn more come Reforged.
According to Wrath quests, the Vykrul were all locked in deep slumber, and were only awakened shortly before we went to Northrend, well after the events of WC3.
The Broken Isles were essentially retconned hard by Legion.
I don’t think this is true. In the earliest iterations, WoW was actually a Diablo MMO, not a Warcraft MMO.
So daggerbay ,which is howling forjd, was never where Arthas landed ? Wc3 show he moved in from there. Did they actually say dragon blight was where he landed?
Also whatever path Arthas took to go deep into icecrown he must have passed crystal song forest.
Or are yoy saying wrathgate and the decript flow did not exist back then? Was this said in the new arthas novel or head canon?
This isn’t headcanon or in a novel, this is in game in WC3 and in WoW.
Arthas made landfall on The Forgotten Shore. You can visit it and see the skeletons of the ships he burned and the ghosts of the men who died there.
Angrathar the Wrathgate, the back entrance to Icecrown Citadel, was built by the Scourge along with the rest of the fortress after the events of Warcraft 3. Icecrown Glacier was completely exposed to the elements during WC3 and was in the middle of a sea of ice. You didn’t need to bypass the Wrath Gate by going through Crystal Song because there was no WrathGate. It was a straight march through Dragonblight to Icecrown Glacier.
So they dragged icecrown citadeal back onto land? Also i think i am getting a clearer picture now but he didnt land on the forgotten shoresm i think that is where he burned the ships so his men made camp there.
Go watch the intro for misson 8. They were in a heavilu wooded area (grizzly hills possibly?) And had to cut their way back to their ships.
Mission seven show that he went right into Daggercap bay. Which is where Valgrade keep is located.
There was no Icecrown Citadel in WC3. It did not exist. It had not been built yet. Technically much of Icecrown as we know it today was under water in WC3.
No, The Forgotten Shore was where Arthas and his men made landfall, they just retconned where it was between WC3 and WoW. Originally it was closer to Daggercap Bay and all that, but remember when I said the maps between WC3 and WoW were not one for one reproductions? In the expansion Wrath of the Lich King they moved the location of the Forgotten Shore to soutgern Dragonblight.
I assume they wanted it closer to Draktheron Keep since that was the place Arthas and his men made camp after he had the ships destroyed at the Forgotten Shore.
Also if most of ice crown is under water…how did arthas army get so close to Aldur thar? Thats were you played as Arthas and killed off the first legion.
How did the water recceded?
@Grandblade. Technically true. But reforged coming out.
It isn’t stated anywhere, you can just compare the maps from WC3 and WoW.
Well gameplay wise you could just rent zeppelins, but as far as in game story goes then Arthas and his men were moving from iceflow to iceflow. Remember I said it was a sea of ice? Just because modern Icecrown was mostly underwater that doesn’t mean that water wasn’t covered by ice.
The water may not have receded. It may have just been frozen solid by Arthas over time. Much of Icecrown is buried under ice and may have once been submerged underwater.
oh… this is where you may have gone wrong with the lore.
Reforge is going is suppose to fix some of the inconsistencies between wow and Warcraft 3. so original WC3 lore may not be valid when reforge comes around. but a lot of the things you are asking or looking for simply did not exists until WoW made it exist. There is was nearly a decade between WC3 and Wrath and the book Arthas.