What they did to Arthas in this expansion and how they let Sylvanas have the last word, of all people, is downright insulting to the memory of Arthas.
It will not surprise me at all to see another mass exodus of not only WoW subscribers, but Blizzard fans as well, walk away from not only the game, but the company overall for what they have done to Arthas Menethil.
I was thinking your next lines were going to be " sitting in a tree…"
Play Warcraft 3. You’ll understand why Sylvanas got the last word.
I did. So, they give Sylvanas redemption for all the atrocities she committed, and an afterlife, but not Arthas. How is that right or just?
All is not well, though Arthas’s model would be some kind of his spirit, either as his original form, or his child form as Sylvanas saw her after her suicide.
The devs should have seen the movie Brave when the villain that turned into a bear dies and then his spirit appears making a kind of gesture of thanks and then leaves.
How difficult was it for Blizzard to make a kind of model where only Arthas appears and nothing else says goodbye?
And the worst comes when Sylvanas monologues, because it wasn’t Uther and Jaina, she has to tell the public that we forget her name, it’s Arthas B, she can’t forget a legacy that most remember because Warcraft 3 was the best game in the franchise Warcraft.
What do you mean, “of all people”? Arthas was a villain. Sylvanas was one of his many victims. Not the other way round. Her getting some closure on what he did to her is fine. Awesome, in fact.
It’s not insulting to his memory because he’s not meant to be fondly remembered as a person. As a character in a story, sure. He was a cool character. But if you think an objective villain should be granted some final moment or glory, or a fond farewell in a little epilogue over a decade later, then you really got the wrong idea about him. You are supposed to enjoy villains, not glorify them.
To a certain degree he was a victim as well within the story. Obviously. And that’s really what we’re seeing. That for all the terror he wrought, for how large he once loomed over the world, in the end he is utterly consumed. Reduced to a mere flicker of existence and then finally nothing. That’s a fittingly tragic end for a tragic character.
What redemption? What we’ve seen is her and everyone else talk about how she is responsible for her actions and must face the consequences. Just because she hasn’t yet doesn’t mean she’s been redeemed.
That said, if she does get redeemed or forgiven, I will be right there with you calling it out. Frankly I am prepared to be disappointed at.
If Sylvanas got the same treatment(especially considering she herself says she became like him) so be it. But the issue is Sylvanas, even though in many ways she was WORSE then Arthas got a redemption while he got turned into 35 anima then I say that is a sucky moral compass.
And it would be the SECOND time Blizzard lets their genocidal female character off scott free and get a happily ever after while their male counterpart gets killed off.
What redemption did she get?
Based on the datamines so far Tyrande will get the final say on her fate(and we know she got a whole “renewal” deal from Elune) and her own voice files have her stating she is going to find Nathanos. If those are not screaming redemption/not being turned into 35 anima then I don’t know what will.
Of course I could be wrong, but the last two cinematics have sapped any hope I have over this issue.
I’m in the same boat. I’m expecting to be disappointed at this stage. I’m not one of her fanbois. But people have been getting angry about her redemption for so long, with no evidence of it even happening. Just the mere fact that they were still telling her story, in which she says she must face the consequences of what she’s done. Let’s at least wait and see what actually happens before we get mad about it.
My point is that for a lot of fans, Arthas IS Warcraft, and what they have done to him in the end is just despicable. To be fair the single largest drop in active subscribers, prior to Shadowlands, was at the end of Wrath. Could they really not have found a better use for such an iconic name and character? Absolutely! He could have been the new jailer in the Maw at the very least.
But to just have him be dissolved in such a disgustingly ugly manner, and to have Sylvanas state he should be forgotten forever is insulting to 2 decades of Warcraft and multitudes of fans who were holding out a small glimmer of hope he would be retained, maybe even somehow redeemed.
I guess after what they did to Garrosh, TWICE NOW, I shouldn’t be surprised they took the cheap way out.
I think it’s rather widely agreed the Sylvanas-Arthas ending was rotten. Though, if you’re going to start yet another of dozens of threads on this topic, why not take some time and come up with some fresh ideas and opinions on the matter? Just curious.
Did you even bother to read the entire thread, or simply just see the first line and think, oh look another whiner? In fact, in my latest post I suggested how they could have made Arthas the new jailer instead of just vaporizing him with a Sylvanas monologue, as if she has any room to talk.
Unfortunately, I did, and there were no original ideas presented, particularly in the original post, which is the most likely spot to present said new ideas. Just wondering why yet another thread was warranted.
Yeah but Arthas was controlled just like Anduin was controlled. Even his spirit was being used by the jailer to control Anduin. The character just didnt deserve redemption? Would have been cool to see in some sense.
I don’t mind that they let Sylvanas have the last word, but I agree, what they did to Arthas was stupid and an insult to the original writers of this story.
Maybe, maybe not. He did plenty of horrific stuff before he ever took up Frostmourne. Either way though, what ever made you think his story would have anything other than a tragic ending? That was never the kind of story being told.
Nope, try again, but pay attention this time.
Steve Danuser is the reason why. Dude has a huge crush on sylvannas to the point of self-inert himself as Nathanos aka sylvannas’s boyfriend. He also wanted to get rid of everything that old writers left aka “their legacy” and start fresh - create a new one persay. He’s legacy in wow. 10.0 will be all he’s new stuff, nothing old.
I am pretty sure that was the whole intention of Danuser. He wants to invalidate the old lore and the biggest enemy is Arthas. There is literally no reason for that little speech from Slyvanas otherwise.
However, As a Warcraft player for 25 years, I can safely say that Arthas will never be forgotten and will be remembered as one of the greatest hero/villain of Warcraft.