Arms Damage and Damage Taken: Why this is one of the worst iterations to date

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Please answer one question: Why would anyone take an Arms Warrior over any other melee DPS? Every other melee DPS has a mortal strike other than a DK and they have Necrotic Strike. What exactly is the Arms Warrior niche/purpose?

I take an absurd amount of damage IN defensive stance and let’s not even speak about how much I take outside of it.

MS is hitting for 7k without any enhancement from Overpower.

I am not a gladiator Warrior, I have gotten 2200 in 2’s in Legion and have always played a good amount of arena. In 3’s I’ve only gotten to 2k and that’s because it doesn’t interest me much and admittedly I am not the best at it.

I just want to know what the idea is behind this class’ design and why I feel pathetically ineffective when compared to other classes? This is not an argument about moving the goal post, I can see why some people may want to take Arms Warriors for direct mobility in the form of charge, damage with a stronger MS during sharpen blade, and maybe war banner… outside of that I feel as though Arms damage is underwhelming and is critically ineffective.

I want this problem addressed because for the majority of this expansion bar the first month of the first season the state of this spec is utterly atrocious.

Even with the recent damage buffs this class feels so ridiculously bad it’s a meme at this point.

I am clearly anecdotally biased and would be keen to hear from other Warriors how their arena experience is shaping up during the first day/week.

Araxus-Kil’jaeden

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I apologize in advance for not reading anything you wrote, but Arms kinda pumps atm. God forbid one gets that execute trinket as well.

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I stopped reading after every dps has a ms except dk.

Rets: really, we have high dmg to make up for no ms

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I sure am glad enhancement, Ret, feral, outlaw, DH, and fury war all have MS. Because for a second there I was under the impression they didn’t. Whew! :sweat_smile:

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Arms pumps rn idk what youre talkin abt.

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These people are ignoring the point of the post.

Arms damage is nothing to write home about. It’s a sawed off mix between a wannabe Feral Druid and a Ret Paladin with none of the defensive capabilities of either.

People still fail to recognize and look the other way when it’s brought up that Arms has glaring holes in its design and needs an overhaul, badly.

Flaw #1: Deep Wounds mastery. The problem here is that Deep Wounds does the majority of our damage. This directly affects our ability to have strong burst, because everything has to “equal out”, or we’d be OP, right? Simply put, we need Deep Wounds to go, and have its’ damage put back into our up front abilities. High burst damage is alot more important/valuable in PvP than mild up front damage combined with weak damage over time. Another problem with Deep Wounds currently is we literally lose damage when we reapply it, since it just resets the duration and doesn’t compound in any way.

Flaw 2: Only spec in the game with no active or passive self absorption or healing.

Flaw #3: We have very weak defensive cooldowns.

Flaw #4: Contrary to what people like to believe: poor mobility.

And lastly, flaw #5: Bad utility. I know I’m going to catch hell for this, because I know we seemingly have very strong utility. We do have utility, don’t get me wrong. But it isn’t game altering utility, and all of our utility is based on talent choices.

Take from this what you want, but these are my thoughts. When it comes down to it, I don’t see any reason to take a warrior over a ret, DK, or WW these days. Our damage and utility doesn’t compare, and our defensive capabilities make us more of a burden to healers than those classes.

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Really because I was just watching smexxin and he’s pulling 16-22k dps at the end of his matches sustained. I dunno what his burst numbers look like specifically but it’s pretty insane with the right traits and vision of perfection procs.

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Well sure. There’s been matches I’ve pushed 20k DPS myself. In those same matches Deep Wounds was 25-35% of my damage because I used Sweeping Strikes on CD and Bladestormed often to spread damage and Deep Wounds.

I’ve also lost some of those matches because none of that Deep Wounds damage matters when your fully buffed “highest damage” attack only hits for 30k.

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Completely right. I missed all of those classes, kinda the product of the annoyance and hubris of the post in that moment. Nonetheless, feral, enhance, outlaw, and DH are all pretty hurt in terms of viability (DH less so)… Ret is played a TAD more.

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Yeah but that’s how Warrior is supposed to play right now. For a while they have been really good at keeping sustained pressure and the threat of MS into dampening. I would say the current version of Arms feels stronger then legion since bladestorm actually punishes people for clumping up.

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What is so wrong about having a massive bleed be tied to your damage?

MS can still chunk during avatar, trinkets, warbringer and overpower stacks.

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It’s not a massive bleed, and the fact that it takes away from our damage is the problem.

And MS hardly chunks even with all those factors.

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Just because that’s how it plays now doesn’t make it good. It means Blizzard made a mistake in designing the class for this expansion and they need to learn from it and backtrack for the next xpac.

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The biggest things warrior needs is stormbolt, reflect, and disarm as baseline abilities. From there they could change mastery but just giving them the option to choose other talents would greatly improve the spec.

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The mastery is super lame.

I dont want to be a warrior and bleed people…

I want to smash anything that gets close to me

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Agreed, but I think I speak for most of the Arms PvP playerbase when I say we want Deep Wounds gone and that damage added back into our upfront abilities.

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then play fury

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Smexxin has stated many times he’s pretty disappointed and frustrated with how bfa arms warrior does dmg

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This is probably the most retarded comment here.

You don’t really do 2s/3s do you? Gathering storm along with vision of perfection embellishes damage meters quite a bit. PEPEGA

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really hes on his stream right now and confirms it pumps

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