I feel like these 2 specific instances could potentially be an all healer issue. I heal on both disc priest and evoker in keys and during the 1st boss I have to tell peoples to hug the boss for the aoe damage part so my atonement’s hit via radiance and etc, same as with evoker and their healing.
I really like doing the catapult mechanic and have only been edged out of it once. Will say, much easier to heal when I wasn’t doing them but way less fun.
The storm is the same. My radiance atonements won’t hit people if they are ranged out all around the boss. I imagine other healing classes struggle the same? I mean radiance has a little bit more range than evoker but I still see it missing people sometimes.
Radiance might miss people but it’s nothing in comparison to missing people with Temporal Anomaly or Dream Breath. You have PW:S and Renew as instants that can quickly apply Atonement for anyone that was missed before DPSing and without having to move, too. If someone is out of range for Evoker you have to relocate to get them in range, eating up valuable time you could be healing or doing damage with. And your AoE heals (Spiritbloom, Dream Breath) are also empowers, which also limits mobility since they can’t be used with Hover.
Pffft! If I miss someone with atonement on radiance and big damage is coming out it is pretty bad if I don’t immediately catch it before I blow my dps CDs.
You could just as easily verdant embrace or throw an insta cast living flame the one lonely guy who missed your TA or DB imo.
Except Verdant Embrace is a death trap and often times puts you more in harm’s way than it helps. Instant Living Flames helps to patch up weak ST heals but it’s currently only granted via a set bonus and wasn’t available for half of this expansion.
Instant LF helps when someone is positioned poorly for DB/TA, but doesn’t help much when someone is simply out of your range entirely and you have to waste precious time moving to try to get them in range in the first place. Time you could be spending on empowers or doing literally anything else but relocating because the prevoker toolkit and range limitations can be so problematic depending on your group comp.
It’s cute you think only one person might have missed DB/TA regularly, too. Groups of two or more ranged DPS are constantly positioned in such a way that sometimes it’s near impossible to get one of them, let alone both.
Oh be nice. There are struggles for each class. I hear yours and have experienced the pain you are conveying here. My point was that you are not unique. I also think it is a fair point to say that you have tools to overcome struggles. I listed a couple for you, just like you off handedly said I could just use a global to shield or renew someone who missed atonement. (If I don’t have to run SLOWLY to them to make that happen) That too has risks when damage is here and people need heals now.
You shuffling to plan B is not ideal. I was commiserating with that plight a little.
Also, I love the evoker heal kit. You have option B, C, etc. If it hits the fan and you miss people with your stasis burst you can insta spirit bloom, rewind, full empower fire breath for aoe healing which leads to all of the living flames flying everywhere , and TA is on a super low CD which you can cast on the move. I almost always feel like o have something to push if I am good about spacing them out.
I think this is the part that those people spouting that “players are simply bad” for not adequately using the range/mobility that we have don’t understand. We care about the class. It’s once we stop caring that should be the problem. At that point, you’ve lost a portion of your player base.
I pug mostly everything. I’m too old and joined too many guilds. Some great friends were made and lost. Many guilds fell apart. Now, I pug. It fits my needs. I like evoker. I don’t like pugs who play in Narnia. I mostly heal or tank (insta ques).
Come TWW I will also be looking for a new alt/main. I get anxiety healing the last boss of ruby life pools. It’s bad when you’re a pug healer. Everyone spreads out for no reason when they can bait stuff. This is just one example. Stuff like this happens all the time b/c of the limited range. Deep breath feels like a trap, as does verdant embrace. The class needs a rework. It’s not perfect, but it shows great potential.
Yeah sure, all healers have a niche “issue” thats annoying to deal with maybe, but none are in comparison to Prevoker’s 30 yard range and how important TA is in higher keys.
Except in higher keys you have to map out your CD’s and juggle them essentially. At a certain point in keys you’re not playing reactively, you’re playing proactively, and just using CD’s as an “oh s**t” button is bad and will put you behind. This is true for all classes, but it’s much worse for Prevoker. In the scenario i mentioned above, such as someone not getting hit by TA, DB, or SB, it can put you SEVERELY behind. Like yeah sure, you can throw at manual echo and VE, or you can living flame them, but then you’re down a whole GDC if you needed to cast a DB or SB right after the other like in many boss fights.
Yes; you may deal with this on other healer classes. But no; they are nowhere near as dramatic and constant as it is with prevoker. I mean there are multiple examples you can pull from this season. Think of the last boss in Ruby Life Pools as a Prevoker. An absolute nightmare.
All I said was that is was comparable to me missing someone with a radiance cast lol, which it is imo. You have so many feelings!
Sigh. Of course it is. If I get behind on disc it is sooooo easy to catch up lol.
Which is what I said above about having to use a GCD to cast a renew or shield to put atonement on someone or someone’s who missed my radiance before I can dps to heal is pretty comparable. Except I don’t have a slew of instant heals like rewind, instant SB or DB, and etc. Emerald communion is a fun button too.
Having larger ranged won’t put people in line of your TA or your DB btw.
I don’t know why it is hard to accept that healers each have problems with range and people standing outside of their heals and it sucks when the group isn’t covered when big damage is coming out.
I don’t think that that has been a cake walk on my Druid or priest healer either. Evoker at least I can hop around better than priest from the fire.
You seem to want to sit in the whoah is me mush pot and I refuse to join you.
Having done Mythic Fyrakk as an Aug Evoker and been a seed carrier for 2/3 of P3, I absolutely despise the 25yard range on allies. Just awful having to do any mechanic and being in range of like 2 people to actually give Prescience, both of which are not even good recipients of Prescience or Ebon Might. When this lasts for minutes at a time, you feel like you’re playing half of a class.
It’s big blossom, and because it has higher range than echo, I’m playing it in keys. (a lot easier to manage.)
I don’t feel an issue at the moment (doing +15 keys.)
I had a taste of disc priest briefly because I thought manifested timeways would be way easier.
But if you stand on one side of the boss (at max range) and the other person stands on the opposite side, at max range, they’re still out of range, and you can’t reach them.
Nope. I want something that feels terrible to play in the game changed. Listing scenarios and facts about why it feels terrible isn’t sitting in a WOE*** is me mush pot; its simply listing why its bad and why it should change. You however, seem to just want to be argumentative. If you know other classes dont have issues like prevoker has with range and all of the examples I listed, what was the point of mentioning them? It’s like, “oh you have it bad, but… what about poor ol me…? I have it bad too!!!”.
Nah, get a grip bud.
Having larger range would in fact allow DB to hit people, the cone would be larger. Nice try though. Like I said before, you’re just trying to be argumentative.
Cool. Still doesn’t change the fact that it happens significantly more on prevoker simply because of the range. Once again, just being argumentative just to be argumentative. “You might have it worse…but… I’ve got it pretty bad too sometimes… what about ME? Wahhh”. This isnt a post about priests or other healers. Also, using rewind and EC without a lifebind setup will not do anything. It will not carry mechanics in higher keys like it would in lower keys. Once again, the healing of prevoker is not as good as it was in season 1. Tell me you haven’t played prevoker in keys this season without telling me you havent played prevoker in keys this season.
Its not about it being easier or worse to catch up, its about the scenarios of getting behind because of range happening so much more on prevoker, please try to stay on topic if you want to just be argumentative. You’ve never even made an actual point to contribute to the post as to why the range shouldnt or should be changed. All you’ve literally said is, “even though it happens to prevoker much more often, other classes also experience this”. Okay…? Thanks for inadvertently enforcing my point, i guess. This all was of course about how it feels in m+. I’m sure you can connect the dots on why it feels bad in raid too, however. Hopefully.
Glad I could indulge you and show you how you’re wrong despite just wanting to argue. Have a good day!
Oh look it’s the weekly “increase evoker range because I can’t position correctly pls” thread
Have you guys genuinely tried to actually get better or do you just come to the forums to complain the second an encounter causes friction with your chosen class?
Would love more range. Yes, it’s playable, but I think it doesn’t feel nice. For me personally of course. Not gonna yuck anyone else’s yum. Just expressing my personal opinion and desire.
I mean radiance has a little bit more range than evoker but I still see it missing people sometimes.
