Are Wargames here to stay?

Point still stands.

Oh, I’m quite unhappy, at least with Blizzard. The only reason I have fun in Classic is because the current team working at Blizzard didn’t design it. They were fortunate enough to be able to copy the work of their predecessors who were vastly better at their jobs.

I mean I agree with the point on the ZG enchants, it wasn’t allowed on BoP items because trading raid loot wasn’t possible - it was done on BoE’s and thus relegated to being a twinking thing.

So I guess the solution there would have been to remove BoP trade loot windows in raids.

Blizz ‘we’re going to make this a museum piece that’s as close to Vanilla as possible’

No changers ‘Oh, so they’re going to make the game as close to Vanilla as possible’

Changers ‘wow, what an unrealistic expectation, to think they’d try to do the thing they said they would do!’

I mean… in all fairness, expecting Blizz to be honest about something kinda is an unrealistic expectation so I guess you have a point. Touche.

Ahh pulling strings.

Why don’t raid resets on server transfers?

There’s only one way for that to work right?

But wait… they changed that. Do you see where this is going?

There’s a number of things they could’ve done, but the problem was created because of a change they made in the first place, and the fix to the problem also hit something else in the crossfire.

They are so terrible at their jobs, it’s baffling to me.

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The only change that’s happened in Classic I can think of off the top of my head that is something created by the community is the lack of alliance’s ability to AV premade, though? What changes have happened in Classic that were actually a result of community outcry and not just Blizzard being Blizzard?

So stop giving them money?

Gotta pay to play Classic.

As I said:

I like to think of it as I’m paying to play a game the old Blizzard made.

I’d rather the new Blizzard stop mucking around with the work of their betters.

Entire phases were released at different times, altered, and shuffled around because of player outcry. Remember BG-less honor during phase 2?

How about MCing people out of battlegrounds? Reintroducing layers? Free server transfers?

Yah but the new Blizzard never got the old Blizzard right from the get go, right? Classic wasn’t accurate to Vanilla from Day 1. There’s like an entire essay to be written about what isn’t accurate because it’s a port from the Retail client. Just look through the bug report forums.

Oh for sure, they could have definitely handled it better, but at the same time you look at how pservers did it and it makes more sense, right? Releasing BGs with the honor system.

Like I’d of loved it if they started from the actual launch of Vanilla with all the broken hunter pets, crap shoot talent trees, survival mechanic, old Ironforge, etc. but that’s not what we got, yet we still play.

Well, yeah. New Blizzard didn’t wash their hands and smudged the CDs with their disgusting fingerprints.

Doesn’t mean I don’t want what they have to offer. The product I desire is in the hands of people with absolutely zero respect for the property, and I either take it with the smudges or I don’t get Classic.

That or I spend the next few months playing on a private server only to have a new FrEsH realm open up and have to start all over again. Ugh. e.e

I’m painfully aware.

Was it really new Blizzard who made this problem, though? Who’s responsibility was it to back up the client? Hummm.

I didn’t say the changes were bad or good. Just that they were instigated by the players.

Right, my point is that some people seem to think that it was due to player outcry on the forums and thus Blizzard choosing “them over us” when it’s much more likely Blizzard are just doing what they think is best for player retention based on a lot of data we don’t have access to.

And you got a museum piece, the idea that it would be exactly the same with no modern polish or that your experience in classic would be the same as vanilla was always unrealistic.

It was backed up, though. They have a reference client, remember?

New Blizzard made the choice to port the data to the newer client.

As far as I know the reference client is from TBC and things are modified based on text archives to try and get it as faithfully accurate as possible.

“To start out, we had to find out how far back our source code archive went. We discovered the first piece of code that could be connected to WoW went as far back as 1997—well before World of Warcraft development even began.”

“Unlike the source code, for which Blizzard had archives for multiple branches of the game that could be worked on and developed as separate pieces, early database data was overwritten with each commensurate update. Thankfully, that problem was fixed very quickly after launch, and when we looked, we found data going back to version 1.12—and even earlier.”

Very quickly in blizzard terms: Over a year