Why is everyone mad about this?
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“Everyone” is obviously inaccurate.
As for why some people are mad about this…
No changes.
Seems like a nil change.
Which changes do you speak of? Why do you still play?
I have a question for the no changes crowd, considering that idea was out the window as early as Phase 1 - why do you still play?
There’s only one way for vanish to work, which is as it did in vanilla.
But of course you’re trying to use that to say that so should everything else. But using that to argue against war games is simply an apples and oranges comparison. It’s just not the same thing.
I have no investment in war games one way or another. I don’t really care whether or not they’re in Classic. I also don’t want changes. I don’t want content added to Classic. But war games are so incredibly unimpactful that it doesn’t matter. It’s not something that will change anyone’s vanilla experience if they don’t want to participate.
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Getting a haircut really effects your immersion that much?
If the other side in the war is occupying said terrain, yes, yes you are. Your so called ‘immersion’ involves requesting the Alterac Valley dwarves to kindly vacate the valley for a while so you can practice and get ready to murder them for realsies.
In modern day maybe, but not in the time period we’re looking at- you really think the Horde just have a completely fabricated 1 to 1 likeness of Alterac Valley lying around for practise?
Good for you, you have your own opinion on what’s ok to change and what isn’t like everyone else- and I’m sure you’ll be all for the change change change train up until the moment Blizz changes something you never wanted changed, just like everyone else that wished this game was more retail and less Vanilla.
Same could be said of pet battles, LFR, LFD, barber shop, etc… Now you’ll have players doing an activity that never existed in Vanilla, potentially if it is competitive as people say spending major consumables on it, which has a major effect on the economy.
As people have said, these are like team duels- and duelling tourneys are both big for streamers and are often worth a lot of gold to the winner- some have consumables/engineering, spec requirements/restrictions but not all do.
If this ends up the same way as duelling tourneys you now have a major part of the economy and streaming for Classic being dominated by something that never was a part of Vanilla.
And yet you think that’s no big deal but a barber shop is?
How delusional can you be- if you want changes, then go for it at this point we’re playing something that’s more retail than Vanilla anyway- but don’t get wishy washy on what changes are ok and what aren’t. Just accept that you hate Vanilla and wanted Retail all along, and looks like Blizz and this community are happy to oblige.
I have a better question for players like you that hated Vanilla- why didn’t you stay in retail where you belonged in the first place instead of constantly nagging for changes in the hopes of making this game more and more like retail?
What, you weren’t content with the stench of your own garbage so you had to dump it elsewhere in the hopes retail wouldn’t stink as bad if it was covering Vanilla?
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Because Blizzard advertised the game as for us, and we believe it’s the pro-change folks that should go away and stop ruining the game.
Personally speaking, I’ve got friends I enjoy playing with, and the changes themselves are not things I find so upsetting as to not be worth playing with them anymore, even if I dislike the changes (quite so, in the case of layering).
I can personally enjoy a change but still think it’s not a change that should be implemented, e.g. water no longer dismounting you, because I believe what is best for Classic is to be accurate to vanilla. Y’know… the entire point of Classic.
I have all sorts of ideas for what would improve the game, both in Classic and in retail, but I don’t share them for either. In the case of Classic, I don’t think there should be any changes in the first place; it defeats the purpose of the project. In the case of retail, I have been around long enough to know that Blizzard ignores feedback and would only make the game worse rather than better.
I didn’t like Heroic difficulty, but I kept playing. I didn’t like LFD, but I kept playing. I didn’t like transmog, but I kept playing. I didn’t like the talent changes (in Cataclysm OR Mists of Pandaria), but I kept playing. I didn’t like LFR, but I kept playing. I didn’t like Thunderforging, but I kept playing. I didn’t like legendaries being expected rather than rare and powerful, but I kept playing. I didn’t like RNG legendaries, but I kept playing.
FINALLY, after so long and so many changes, I realized… I don’t really like the game anymore. I had taken many breaks since Cataclysm (was subscribed from vanilla all the way through Tier 11 before that point), but I had never really quit until BfA.
I kept coming back because WoW at its core was a fun game. The same goes for Classic. I can not like a change, but still enjoy the game. I can think that Blizzard is leading the game towards ruin, but still last a while before the negatives outweigh the positives.
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I dunno why you jump to the conclusion that I hated Vanilla, or that I ever played Retail much. You seem very bitter.
I personally fell out of love with WoW around Cataclysm - Orgrimmar’s new design absolutely tilted me to the point of not wanting to play. In hindsight it’s kind of a silly reason, but it was mine. Came back and raided a bit in MoP but never really recaptured what I enjoyed from Vanilla - Wrath.
If I’m being honest Wrath is when I started to really lose interest in the game, but friends kept me playing. I don’t think it’s because the expansion was horrible, though, it’s a lot more likely because my original guild’s GM passed away suddenly and nobody was willing to take up the reigns to keep it going.
I was originally with the no changes crowd, but was really looking at the game from a biased perspective when compared to what it is. There were a lot of things I couldn’t forsee with how gaming culture has changed.
Would still very much like Classic to remain as “Vanilla-like” as possible, but the way things have gone in the game my opinions have changed. Would rather focus on what’s fun than staunchly hold onto a recreation that isn’t.
I’ve found that a lot of the #nochanges crowd simply had unrealistic expectations about what classic would be.
Shouldnt be that hard to gather all 7 of them up
I find what makes the recreation not fun to me is the various changes they make to it.
Every notable change they’ve made is something that has detracted from the experience for me, be it the changes to AV, RCR, increasing the aggro radius of guards in neutral cities, removing the exit portals in BGs, layering, or changing the ZG enchants to not work on different classes.
Now if you mean you’d rather focus on what’s fun than staunchly hold onto a recreation that isn’t faithful, yeah, I might reach that point fairly soon. I’ll never stop wanting no changes, but I’ll probably stop fighting so hard for it. I’m ready to embrace the full Classic+ and ultimately by disappointed by it due to Blizzard’s incompetence, then quit to find a private server that actually provides what I want.
Or maybe a new MMO will be out by then and I can happily waste my life away on that instead.
The ZG enchants to other classes wasn’t even accurate to Vanilla, though, it was a warped version created due to batching. It would also allow silly things that give certain classes itemisation that approaches Naxx BiS (Mish with mage enchant.)
I guess I’m just confused on why people are still playing the game when no changes was clearly not happening as early as Phase 1, like they’re either having fun or they’re not - why give Blizzard money if they’re not.
I’m kind of in the perspective of nothing good lasts forever and enjoy it while it’s here.
I don’t think a new MMO is going to come anytime soon because of a lot of reasons, graphical fidelity combined with corporate interests seem to make it impossible for developers to ever really realize a fully fleshed out world, they’re too hamstrung by time constraints.
Did you get this upset when the forums were a different format? Because that is the level of impact this has on the game.
I would actually support barber shops, simply to combat the ludicrous amount of excess gold (not remotely vanilla-like) in the server economies. Classic simply does not have the available money sinks to make up for the non vanilla-like vast amounts of gold.
Depends on the items to which it was being applied. It could be applied to BoEs, for example, but not to BoP items since they could obviously not be traded back in vanilla.
True, but are we talking about things that are fun or things that are accurate to vanilla? Personally, I think having the list of enchants and being able to choose from them would be more fun, or even having a class be able to apply their enchant to another person’s gear.
A tad like being able to apply Arcanums to other people’s gear.
Disliking a change doesn’t mean you no longer have fun. It’s not that simple, obviously.
As I said, the core of the game is still fun. There’s just a lot of changes I want undone. If I didn’t have fun playing the game, I wouldn’t play it.
Why not both? Let’s have Classic+ servers and give people the option, I’d be down.
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Mmm the ZG enchants was done through the mail in Vanilla, not through trading.
For me that is not fun, because Naxx itemisation is where PVP in Classic dies - it’s way too overtuned, and I’m PVP focused.
I’m glad you are of that opinion, I get the feeling a lot of people aren’t having fun - or at least that’s the impression they give, like the person above me that accused me of being a retail player here to ruin their game. They’re genuinely unhappy people.