Are there any DPS class/specs that dont require a 20 string ability rotation to do maximum dps?

That’s the beautiful thing with the new talents now in 10.2; there is no more timing your Frenzy stacks. One of the new talents extends Barbed Shot buff by 2 seconds, so it’s almost impossible for Frenzy stacks to fall. Just use Barbed Shot whenever it’s available, because the other new talent causes it to reduce the cooldown on Kill Command every time it deals damage. Spam those 2 buttons, and pop a Cobra Shot or two when Barbed Shot and Kill Command are on CD. They won’t be on cooldown very often though. They both have 2 stacks and synergies that cause CD reduction.

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Life is good for BM Hunters right now. I hope it stays this way for a while. :smiley:

idk how havoc is now but back in SL it was very brain dead. I’m sure its a little better now and still e-z.

Fury warrior i remember not having that complex of a rotation either

Spoken like a true ignoramus of frost mages.
Glacial spike is more like 5-7 a minute, and timing it is essential.
Also, you don’t double ice lance. the second charge of winter’s chill is better used in a shatter combo (FB + IL/GS + IL) for proc fishing.
Also you save GS for a Flurry proc when viable, since you’d get two WC’s that way.
(Flurry is 3 hits, but Winter’s Chill is 2 charges, if you don’t shatter the first charge, you lose a charge of WC with flurry itself).
Likewise, you save Ray and Comet Storm for WC, since they get the crit bonus but do not consume WC.

Fury is a little more involved than that, but it’s the closest thing you got to getting a rotation right.

BM is just press whatever is off CD.

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I’m fine with that choice. The only issue I have is that Blizzard needs to stop correlating complexity to damage when it comes to spell rotations. With Blizzard, it’s always more buttons = more damage. Why not make better talents that increase the damage of the buttons we already have? We have some of those talents now, but they’re generally weak when compared to the non-passive options.

It’s fine if someone wants a 30-button rotation, but the player who chose that same class with passive talents and only has a 3-button rotation shouldn’t be doing half the damage. Some people prefer complexity, some people prefer simplicity, but neither should be punished for it.

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cast Frostbolt until Flurry proc
A RANDOM FLURRY PROC APPEARS
cast Frostbolt
cast Flurry proc immediately after Frostbolt in case Flurry procs again
Ice Lance
Ice Lance
Repeat for more Flurry procs

That’s the heart of the rotation. The only RNG you’re worrying about is when Flurry will proc. There are 2 stacks of it now though, so that is kind of a safeguard against bad RNG.

Then you werent playing it correctly.

Frost bolt
Ice lance
flury
frost orb

vrs
frost bolt
ice lance
flury
frost orb
glacial spike
comet storm
ray of frost

Incorrect.

Frost mage uses comet storm to stack damage amps before GS and then you also have GS and Ray added as werll.

You missed this part.

Do you think Bloodlust is part of priority rotations too?

Most of them are around 6ish and 12 if you all defensives

Key parts of the rotation arent “fluff”

Whats with all these BM hunters in this thread trying to justify how simple their spec is by comparing it to other classes AND getting it wrong?

Did you really just try to compare a single button press every 10 minutes to core rotation abilities?

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I really think you’re missing my point. In my opinion, anything with a cooldown longer than like 1 minute isn’t part of the class’s main rotation. It’s a button to make their action bars fluffier. It might do good damage, but it gets put to the side where it will only be pressed once every minute.

But hey, this is the forums, so if I don’t agree with you, I’m wrong, right? :roll_eyes:

There’s a reason BM gets consistently recommended to new players.

Because its a fairly easy spec to play compared to others and it offers low risk high reward results.

I guess they don’t want to admit that lol

I’m the first to admit how easy this class is. That doesn’t mean a class like Frost Mage or Fury Warrior isn’t easy too.

Is there only allowed to be one “easy class” in the game?

Fury warrior is carpal tunnel galore and has one of the highest APMs in the game though.

The comparison is disingenuous and I’ve said it before.

Fury warrior competes with rogue in terms of APM.

It’s just not the same.

I didnt miss it. Its just not even remotely accurate or true

Your opinion is wrong.

Even then

Glacial Spike = no CD

Comet Storm = 30 seconds

Ray of Frost = 1 Minute

Incorrect.

No, in this case you actually are just wrong.

You said all that and didn’t answer my question. Not that you have to answer it, but also high APM doesn’t mean a class is difficult.

Aaaand there it is. Forums in a nutshell.

yes, yes it does.

Having to do more actions per minute in order to play the class has a massive affect on difficulty.

That’s just another, incorrect take.

Oh look… it’s someone who doesn’t at all understand frost mage. I’d hate to see his mains dps parses

I have one and mained both BM and MM in SL.

Its insane how easy BM is and even the top theorycrafter has stated BM is the easiest its ever been.

This is the second hunter in this thread trying to act like BM is complicated

You’re calling the core of the decision making “fluff”. I don’t think you are a good DPS in any class if that’s how you think about them.

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