The Void Lords can’t be judged as either. It’s more accurate to say that their mental processes are utterly alien to us.
In the Call of Cthulu game two of your scores were Mythos Lore and SAN, the former being self explanatory and the latter being your Sanity score both rated from 0 to 100.
Your SAN score had a cap of 100 minus your Mythos Lore score, so you can see where I’m headed at. The only way you can understand the Void Lords is to warp your frame of mind. That’s why most Twilight mortal bosses are nuttier than a squirrel’s cache.
Going to guess that Knaifu ends up being a red herring in the villain department. Somehow.
imo when a void lord dies it births a light lord, like how naarus go back and forth
i have this all worked out
elune is a similar type of god. like the moon has a dark side and different phases in the sky, she was once said to be a naaru. the night warrior invokes the void phase of the god.
the light is eldritch horror too because it is just a void god reversed.
heres what elune looks like
https://imgur.com/a/A3NN7qb
whether they are good or evil no one knows. but im getting raid boss vibes.
You have a fundamental misunderstanding of evil. The Void isn’t evil, its entropic. That means its a black hole. A force of destruction and creation. The void is nihil (Latin for Nothingness) the concept of absolute zero.
The Void isn’t evil it’s just a power of the inevitable force which will consume the cosmos. For their to be Light and creation there must also be Darkness and destruction. One isn’t good and the other evil. Both exist as a counter to the other. For life to exist it must die, but death isn’t evil and while forces of decay seem evil to us and has been used by evil people. Doesn’t mean it is or shall always be evil. Same with Void, Light, Life and Disorder.
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In the new lore, maybe. Originally there was only Light first, and Void emerged in places where Light was absent. Then again, there’s been so many retcons, I’m not sure what the canon cosmology is anymore.
Good and evil are relative. Purely evil? Probably only to the lords of Light since they are diametrically opposed. Depending upon how far from the Light they are, others might see them as evil, or morally grey, or even good. The void lords probably view the lords of light as purely evil.
When there’s a mutually exclusive claim, either one side is right, or both are wrong. The statement that good and evil are relative is an objective statement about good and evil, making the statement self-defeating and therefore, wrong.
If no side is better than the other, there’s no point in the conflict. Their “aim for balance claim” sounds like the golden means fallacy to me.
I disagree that my statement is an objective one. Just because there’s a mutually exclusive claim doesn’t make said claim true. When has it ever been the case that there’s no point in a conflict just because neither side is better than the other? The statement ‘neither side is better’ is subjective and depends upon a pov. From the pov of either side, it’s not a stretch that each thinks themselves better than the other.
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Thinking your actions are right doesn’t make someone not evil.
I’d call them evil based on the massive amount of aggressive harm they’ve inflicted on others for a goal that amounts to just conquest for the sake of conquest.
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I never said a mutually exclusive claim is true. I said either one side is right (making the other wrong) or both are wrong. How is your statement not objective? Do you consider your statement right? You consider it correct enough to oppose my critique.
I did (and I’m not the first). What’s the point of choosing a side when the method and outcome is the same?
That doesn’t mean one side isn’t right and the other wrong. Irenaus said it best.
Seems like the direction the story is going is ultimately one of balance in the cosmos, a world completely dominated by any one of the six fundamental forces would be an unpleasant, or even impossible place to live.
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I think the void isn’t necessarily mustache-twirling evil (it’s a cosmic force), but whatever has been affected by it has had an agenda that has been consistently shown to be bad for our health.
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Which has been the story since Gul’dan turned Draenor into a wasteland by using to much fel magics, and Ner’zhul turning Draenor into Outland and in WoD with the similar story of the Breakers and the Primals and later Army of the Light led by Yrel. Any one force takes over the planet dies or stagnates.
Seems more like AU Draenor was dying due to the standard degradation of an alternate timeline, while Grom’s side and Yrel’s side go all “he said, she said” on each other about it.
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The impression I kind of get is that none of the cosmic forces is in and of itself good or evil, but they’re all comprised of both responsible agents whose priority is making their respective force do what it must to keep balance and therefore the cosmos existing, and bad actors whose priority is achieving primacy for their own force even if it means upending creation and compromising the whole the universe.
So every force probably has its own agents who see the necessity of the rest, as well as agents who believe only their force matters, making the others are all rivals and threats to its supremacy.
That said, it does seem like certain forces’ “good guys” are more prominent, while others’ “bad guys” are. We’ve got fanatical servants of the Light, but the bulk of its agents we’ve met seemed to be more of the A’dal mindset than Xe’ra’s. Conversely, the Void’s agenda in our reality seems disproportionately represented by those who seek to impose its power over everything, but that may only be because any hypothetically less malevolent agents of the Void would refrain from trying to intrude into the Great Dark because they know their natures are hazardous to it and they don’t want to threaten the survival of the physical plane any more than the Void Lords’ and Old Gods’ incursions already have.
In similar fashion, we had most of the Eternal Ones and their allies favoring keeping things the way they are, with the Realm of Death just doing Death stuff and observing the functions of the other cosmic forces in the universe as apart and necessary, as opposed to Zovaal and his allies who all wanted Death to supplant everything else and reign as the supreme force over existence.
Even then, there’s still shades of grey, if one wants to use that term for morality.
For example, to compare the Light and the Void, even if Xe’ra was the most aggressive Naaru, she was still far better/kinder than any Old God we’ve encountered. Anything she did pales compared to the Old Gods’ laundry list of atrocities. Plus, Xe’ra did nothing for her own benefit, having a selflessness the Old Gods lacked. Note how the Old Gods’ made empires to worship them while Xe’ra’s main goal was “order and service to the Light”. What the Cosby Crew Chief (Afrasiabi) told us he wanted about the Naaru in an interview (wanted people to think her oppressive) doesn’t match what we got in the lore.
Now for the agents of Death, the Jailer and Denathrius were the most ruthless, while the Primus bucked the trend despite literally being designed as a being of war. If we compare the Eternal Ones to the Old Gods, in my opinion Denathrius is cut from a similar cloth in personality and goals, but he’s also slightly less callous than them. Zovaal, if anything, is somewhere between the Old Gods and Sargeras. Meanwhile the other two Eternal Ones were benevolent, the worst that could be said about the Archon was her willingness to erase memories (and even that had a reason behind it).
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While I’m not to breaking down the Void Lord lore, the understanding we have of them could be propaganda.
Given that the description of the Shadowlands found in beginning of Chronicles turned out to be a ton of outright lies (pretty much only describes what sounds like the Maw, and given that Tyr was aware of Zerith Ordus, the Titans clearly are aware of the First Ones so the comment of “The origins of the Shadowlands are uncertain” is also a lie), it wouldn’t be surprising to see that the description we have only really applies to one or two of them (Dimensious the All-Devourer being a candidate for that kind of Void Lord).
This all being said, I think the Void Lords likely are a strong candidate for the Pantheon of Shadow, so if the Death and Order Pantheons are anything to go by, you’re likely correct in assuming that only a couple will end up being evil.
The Void is pretty much the final bad guy of the game. They are building the cosmic threats slowly and save them for the final expansion.
We have had several pure evil villains. Here’s a list of some of them;
- Gul’dan (MU and AU)
- Xavius
- Archimonde
- Blackhand
- Cho’gall
- Nekros Skullcrusher
- Mueh’zala
- Azshara
- Fyrakk
From our characters’ point of view, naturally the Shadow is evil and the Light is good.
They are essential forces for the balance of the universe, but being “essential” does not presuppose that they are beneficial, their inherent characteristics and their effects on other beings do.
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