I have a friend I play wow with who is a ret pally. Im a frost dk. He makes fun of me constantly and tells me I am bad. He is 16 ilvl lower than me and consistently been lower geared than me this whole expac. We are running M+ and he is pulling half a millie more dps than me a each pull and overall at the end is always ahead by like 30-50% of my damage.
Is Ret just better than Frost or am I actually doing something wrong? Like im 628 ilvl he is like 612 …and he never seems to have cooldowns unavailable…is cranking max dmg every pull whereas I feel like if the tank doesnt chain pull, my breath falls off and then im back to doing nothing for 45 sec - 2 min.
Is there somewhere I can go to find out what a “good amount of damage is for a 10+” with a frost dk?
Im doing between 1.5 and 2 billion overall each run and have no idea if this is good because this lower geared friend is telling me its bad. When I pug with others im usually the top dps so I really dont know wth is going on. I just wanna know if im doing something wrong or if my guildie is just arrogant. I feel like ret is ez mode and wanna tell him that but i dont wanna be missing something on my end either.
Frost, Ret, and Unholy are all extremely comparable right now DPS-wise in M+. He’s likely just performing better than you are: https://mythicstats.com/dps
I’d work on your rotation, gear optimization, etc.
Ret in particular is not very hard to pull off. I would say the greatest skill of Ret is utility usage. Pallies have many tools that can be good for a variety of situations, so a Ret that does use their tools and one who doesn’t (including off healing) is noticeable.
While the class itself has had its ups and downs, it’s well known that people who play Paladins tend to just be much better players than the average person, regardless of how the game is balanced at the time. The class just seems to attract the most skillful and devoted individuals. They’re also (minimum) 27% more attractive in real life than the average WoW player, according to well-regarded scientific journals.
Ret is strong, but ultimately you’re probably doing something wrong, as Frost is also pretty strong in M+. Probably stronger than Ret tbh.
The issue is, Ret is braindead easy to play. It’s one of 3 or so specs you can throw at someone who has barely touched an MMO and they’ll probably be able to perform pretty decently if they’re capable of not getting themselves killed.
Ret isn’t necessarily better, but being harder to mess up makes it easier to perform well with it.
Fury Warrior is much the same, as is BM Hunter last I heard (though I’m less familiar with that).
I’m pretty sure Frost DK is a big AoE CD spec, so if you’re using your CDs poorly or the tank is pulling little baby pulls constantly, you won’t be doing as much as you should be.
For many players, the one you enjoy playing is the one you can get groups and actually play on, and not feel like a burden. The idea that balance shouldn’t affect that decision is utterly nonsensical.
The answer is unequivocally yes, some specs are always much better than others. That doesn’t mean that player skill isn’t a factor too.
