If so cool, I guess it makes sense. But if not, what other classes can compete 1v1 with a rogue atm?
They are to a degree. In the right hands, and proper cooldowns, yes. Not unbeatable by any stretch. But our tool kit is perfect for it.
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The class spec I have a hard time killing is guardian and resto druid. 1 v 1 I just can’t seem to take them down unless undergeared, or misplayed
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Cool thanks for the reply.
I got merc’d by a Disc-priest the other day. And then a Ret Paladin shortly after. I personally don’t like to say one class is better than another regardless of balance. A Boomkin druid 2 shot me once with 11k hits back to back, and I loved it. Came back later and he beat square again, but it was close, and I didn’t feel bad about being destroyed by his burst. When I see myself securing a decent amount of killing blows and winning a fair amount of duels - I don’t get upset when I’m beat by people that out class me.
Any class can counter a rogue if it’s played right, and thankfully WoW isn’t balanced based on 1v1 otherwise it would be a horrible game to play. Skill is a factor, and yes - some classes do get advantages over other classes and vice versa - but I feel like knowing your class, knowing what you can and cannot do, and knowing how to handle other classes is key to winning fights.
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In a total vacuum you could argue we’re the best in 1v1, maybe tied with Mages and Ret.
Having the ability to just reset the entire fight and heal up in stealth is incredibly strong. You’re able to wait long enough for DR to reset while they have no trinket or CDs.
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Yeah, but I’ve had plenty of other classes reset fights in other ways. Bubble heals, CC bandages, instant full heals, that friggen revive egg that I keep forgetting about when I see it!! Oh what is that thing do again!? BAM Rebirht! Wait I thought I killed you!!? THINK AGAIN !@#@%er! All of which is walled around high CD Oh S@#$ buttons like Vanish is. Stealth is good for setup, and does give us a good class advantage over others - but doesn’t always guarentee us the fight, nor does the reset always afford us an equally potent round-two burst. Sub lacks so much sustain, which I don’t mind at all - but it’s still very possible to blow defensive CDs and watch a sub rogue who didn’t manage his kit right reset and come back doing pathetic damage while you still have all your damage ready to fire on them. I stand that it can go either way - and don’t think that the reset tactic is rogue exclusive.
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with how strong dps off heals are right now such as Ret’s word of glory id say the days of rogues being 1v1 kings are long gone. Rogue self heals are just trash and stunlock’s been dead for years it was almost revived with paralytic poison during Mop but that was about it.
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Not at all.
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The reason the meme of “rogues are the best 1v1 class” has made it this far is because it was basically true. I remember a talk from Kaplan from back in the vanilla days talking about how everyone should be overpowered at something. That’s what makes you attached to your class. And that’s what the idea with rogues was. Assuming even skill, if the rogue catches you 1v1 from stealth, you should lose. It’s also why on PvP servers sometimes the rogue representation at 60 was like 40%…lol
Nowadays the game is different though.
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Preparation use to reset Blind in early vanilla that and gouge + stuns made rogue the 1v1 King.
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I’m only 2.1k CR but I’ve played rogue since vanilla. I’m fairly certain Ret Palidan, Windwalker Monk, Disc Priest and all tank specs beat us in 1v1 at the moment, we’re not in the best state currently.
In reality Rogue shouldn’t lose 1v1’s cause that’s our only strength it seems lol.
Especially in todays content, where we think we kill someone then they rebirth, then we kill them again and they turn into a plant and revive, then we kill them agai… nevermind we cant we dont have any cooldowns by that time. :^)
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The problem with rogue 1v1 in vanilla is after enough gear, it simply takes too long to kill things and backup always arrives.
Maybe that changes with Naxx
Bear druids are the dueling titans atm. Maybe a geared ret can take one down with proper hits but no rogue can take one down for sure.
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uh the opposit problem actually.
the more gear people got in vanilla, the more bursty PvP became because yknow… no pvp mitigation stat.
Im raiding naxx right now on this very toon.
PvP with naxx geared players is unbelievably bursty. if a warrior or rogue sits on you for 2 seconds, ur dead. Mages can take u for 65% of ur health with 1 FB crit. Warlocks can shadowbolt crit you for 5k+ and have 3 or 4 dots that tick like 5% of ur health each tick. Shamans in naxx gear? they can drop down 13k damage in like less then 1 second its bonkers.
WArriors in full naxx gear with Might of Menethil can literally 2 shot ANYONE. Except maybe super geared deep prot warrior tanks.
Hunters in full naxx gear can just absolutely delete people with aimed + arcane shot.
Naxx gear makes the game insane because the dps stats scale faster and harder then HP or armour does.
ww and ret counter ret pretty hard.
In my opinion paladins are the king’s of pvp in general right now
If your losing 1v1s to a ret paladin as a rogue you fu*%ed up hardcore, you’re their natural counter class.
As someone who duels a lot and has beaten a lot of streamers/high rated players in duels it is currently very easy to lose to a ret paladin as rogue if there is no LOS. If the pally takes the prot leggo/BM/and the kyrian soulbind that does an aoe stun when they drop below certain hp, it is actually a very hard matchup for rogues. They hoj you press wings so they immediately force trinket cloak and then they just wait for wings proc, hoj divine toll and it’s gg.
A few other specs that rogues lose to in duels with no los can be but are not limited too:
Fire mage/arcane mage/feral Druid/boomy/ bear Druid/ ww monk/ prot pal/ disc priest/ enh shammy/ and maybe even a good mm hunter
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Them tank druids and pallys I have a hard time with and any gear heals especially priest and druids, but ret I havent really had much trouble as long as I have my cds