I think most people would agree with that. If you’re saying they haven’t been punishing BGB/RSS pilots it’s probably more they genuinely can’t tell when lifetime 1400 players got 2400 last season due to being willing to sit queues long enough.
Which they should probably reset MMR between seasons. There was a Disc Priest who was literally 2900 CR on like the 3rd day of the season. Lol
I fail to understand why you keep confusing rating inflation with skill gap. If you’re claiming that Blitz players are less skilled than RBG players, you need to back that up. Just because a player hits 3k in Blitz and only 2600 in RBG due to Blitz’s rating inflation doesn’t automatically mean Blitz is easier.
If all you want is the same kind of rating inflation, that’s fine, ask Blizzard for a rating boost in RBGs. But RBGs don’t deserve extra rewards, there’s simply no justification for it.
BTW, everyone’s aware of the Blitz rating inflation. We’ve already adjusted for it mentally.
Blitz absolutely needs seasonal resets.
This season would likely not even be particularly inflated if it didn’t bring last season’s baggage with it. They tamped down the MMR gains considerably while boosting the CR gains. Net result would be that your CR begins to match your MMR in a much shorter number of average games…if people hadn’t gone into the season with their alts at 2.8k MMR, that is.
that dude Dingle is a prime example of this. Blitz exposed the crap out of him. I remember for years everyone thought he was the best MW in the game. I never thought he was even in the top 10. And sure enough, that dude is like 50th. There are many examples just like him too
So true! MMR carryover is ridiculous enough, but the worst part is the predestination of final ratings. For new toons who didn’t have a rating last season, it feels doomed to end up with a low final rating, unless they can carry many games singlehandedly.
These players are consistently placed in low MMR game, even when their personal MMR is already relatively high. In contrast, players who had a high rating last season gain rating so easily. As soon as their current MMR drops below S1 CR, they are always placed on stronger teams…
Xarashi presents: Bad Takes 101.
And you don’t have to talk to or associate with RBG group leaders you don’t like in RBGs. Blitz, you’re cutting off your own nose to spite your face if you don’t communicate or play with the random teammates you don’t like but got grouped up with.
I’m not basing it solely on rating. I play both brackets. Did you? Blitz also arguable needs to have some inflation to accommodate for the long que times and randomness of having sandbags on your team after waiting so long.
All due respect, I don’t see you backing up your claim with anything convincing. According to check PvP, Blitz is the only high xp you have.
I only occasionally came across him and don’t know him personally. If Blitz exposed how bad he is, how did he get rank 1 in Blitz if, according to Arianniel, Blitz takes more skill than RBGs? Everyone’s inflated in relevance to each other within the Blitz bracket, so if Blitz is a true expression of individual skill, then how did he get that high?
I know judging a person’s skill in WoW PvP via bracket rating isn’t as straight forward or accurate as “How fast can you run a mile” or “How much weight can you bench press”, but it’s significant enough to take notice of it even though it’s not perfect. People can also cheat in the Olympics, can’t they? And on average, I can’t help but notice that the average Blitz player usually underperforms compared to the average RBG player.
That behavior only seems common in RBGers queueing Blitz out of necessity, thankfully.
True Blitz mains are cordial pranksters who exchange bashful guffaws at teammates-turned-enemies.
But…the majority of Hero title-bearers are stuck at 1800-2100 in Blitz, hurling insults at one another and linking achievements from 2016…
The Gorgeous Battlemasters and Khans fare significantly better with their steeley-eyed resolves.
If that’s true, then that further reinforces my point that you don’t have to play with said jerks in RBGs, but in Blitz, you don’t have a choice but to communicate with them if you want the best chance of winning.
Source? I’ve seen bad players with Hero titles before, but most of the Heroes I’ve seen perform well and get 2400 in Blitz easily.
I’ve literally only played two RBG games, want to guess why? I was disgusted. RBGs aren’t pure pvp, as you said, they’re heavily influenced by “social”. I’m not a bootlicker, so I never got a spot in our guild’s RBG team.
Second, after I started playing Blitz, I watched a lot of pvp streams and videos. In high-rated Blitz games, the percentage of genuinely skilled PvP players is much higher than in RBGs. It’s normal to see multi-R1 gladiators get called out for mistakes. In contrast, high-rated RBGs don’t have as many skilled players. Why? Because some of them make it onto teams based on social connections rather than merit.
My source is I’m one of the most active players in BG Blitz and I mostly see people wearing the title stuck below Elite range.
You judge an entire bracket and playerbase that dates back years from only playing two games? And not getting a spot in your guild? You don’t see the glaring flaw with that?
Skill is also a factor in most cases. Not saying you didn’t have the skill to do well in RBGs, but it sounds to me like projecting because you had a bad experience.
So did I. And it’s not a secret that Arena takes more skill than RBGs because mistakes are more punishable in Arenas, but the Blitz bracket itself is a carry. Statistically speaking, if you play decently enough, you get randomly grouped with skilled people enough, and with enough time investment, getting high rating is almost guaranteed. That’s less effort compared to RBGs unless you’re being super hard carried, which again, is not the norm for the average player.
I had bad experiences doing M+ in BFA, but I don’t wish for that playerbase to suffer or say that they don’t deserve to have nice things because not everyone in any bracket or demographic is the same and collectively judging them as people isn’t fair. RBGs having exclusive seasonal rewards isn’t going to hurt you.
I’ve seen the opposite. Statistically speaking, you bang your head against Blitz enough and you’re not a sandbag, you’ll get high rating.
You don’t have to participate to know that high-rated Blitz games have more skilled pvp players than high-rated RBGs. There are plenty of videos and streams to back that up.
And with all due respect, from what I see on Checkpvp, it seems you haven’t played high-rated RBGs yourself as well, right? So what’s the real difference? Not to mention players with Hero of the Alliance/Horde titles are everywhere in Blitz even in low MMR games, honestly, I wouldn’t be surprised if the percentage of Blitz players with Hero titles is higher than in RBGs (though I don’t have any solid proof).
Participation and actual experience tend to hold a lot more weight and credibility than being an armchair quarterback.
There are plenty of videos and streams to back up the opposite.
Wrong. I was 2361 or 2367 last season in RBGs. I got my first 2200 in RBGs in SL. And strategist in Blitz (2590). Check the wow armory if you don’t believe me.
The difference is you’re being an armchair quarterback. While there are some exceptions, the average Blitz player has an easier time climbing than the average RBG player.
Honestly, these aren’t really high ratings, are they? You don’t have the Hero title, and those who do aren’t exactly dominating in Blitz. Anyway, I feel like this discussion isn’t getting us anywhere. But I do genuinely hope Blizzard does something to revive the RBG community, and that players like you get to enjoy it more. Take care!
Legion was the last time I recall blizz trying to work with the community, and in shocking fashion all attempts blizz made to make changes that would’ve increased participation were shot down because pvp players have the weirdest egos and care too much about pointless stuff. PvP comm definitely deserves 99% of the blame and this will never change.
The insults and assumptions are fine, in your head, but remember you are on a wow forum, not reddit. Lets try to stay on topic.
Could/should ALL rated pvp modes, including RBGs have unique and desirable reward(s)? Yes.
As has been discussed at great lengths, the reasons wow pvp players do not queue RBGs are many, and those reasons are not changing.
Also, since every item, title, rating, ect is for sale on boosting websites, lets maybe calm down with the pretending having rating is prestigious and definitely not think less of someone with more time spent IRL and less time logged in chasing purchasable titles and ratings.
A player can choose to focus on the enjoyment they can derive from the game, and I think thats a lot more healthy than thinking your punching down at someone with less rating with insults. I don’t know of anyone here that cares what another humans rating is for any bracket, unless they’re using check pvp to have a ammunition to insult people. It’s a game, just try to have fun with it.
Considering how low participation was at the time and I was among the top 10 unholy DKs throughout the season, I’d say it kinda was. Does that make me one of the best DKs in the world? Meh, hard to say when people stop playing, but idc.
I mentioned how and you shot it down >.>
Like what?
Let’s just ignore the ones towards me.
That’s not thinking less of a person. Having doubts about an opinion on a topic someone has little experience isn’t disrespectful. I haven’t pushed Mythic dungeons since BFA and done maybe 1 in SL and DF. If someone asked me what’s the hardest dungeon or what affixes should change, I can give an educated guess or say “I heard from so and so”, but it’s not gonna be as credible as coming from someone else who actually participates and does high key dungeons. Why would I take that personally? Why shouldn’t experience be taken into consideration? You want medical information on something, do you ask the doctor or the guy who saw a couple episodes of House? Having xp doesn’t mean I know everything or can’t ever be wrong, I even pointed out earlier that rating isn’t as straightforward. But having such a strong opinion on something and insisting on it when you’ve barely touched it, how could you not take source into consideration? That’s not punching down. I even said earlier that them not getting into their guild group doesn’t mean they couldn’t get high rating in RBGs. It’s not out of disrespect, it’s logic. It doesn’t make you more or less of a person.
High experience / High CR would be like Biden before and Trump now, and both have made wildly inappropriate statements, hold criminal ideals, have passed bad laws that violate the 2nd Amendment, so forgive me if you would for not putting divine weight into the opinions of individuals based soley on “Experience/Current Rating/titles”, additionally because all that in wow can be be bought.
You can love wow pvp, not cheat or buy success in the game and I wish you success. I miss the days of afternoons and evenings with the boys in RBGs too. Just too busy to make it happen now. Maybe Im alone in this but your character name has been infront of my face a hundred times in two days and I couldnt spell it or say it to save my life. It’s world of warcraft, so nobody knows if you’re John from Staten Island that’s the tenth best DK on Earth or any other person. Do you know what I mean? This is all anonymous behavior as far as each other are concerned. If you deleted your character today, someone on your server could have your race/name/realm combo tomorrow. So the real world achievements probably matter a bit more, not necessarily to each other, but it should to ourselves.
That’s a bit of an exaggeration. If I thought it was “divine”, I wouldn’t have mentioned the nuances.
Who said you can’t?
Who said they don’t? I have a life outside of WoW I’m happy with, but I would like to continue enjoying the time I have in game with my online friends too if I can. One obvious, non-intrusive way of doing was by suggesting RBGs should have more reward incentives, but people had a problem with that suggestion for reasons I found unreasonable.