it’s early Saturday evening. zero pre-made rbg groups listed. maybe seen like 1 or 2 all week. what’s up?
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BG blitz happened
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Blitz supremacy.
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i know when bg blitz first came out you couldn’t get rep/points towards vicious saddles. have they fixed that?
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Yep, been working correctly for a while
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Blitz better game mode, they should of just removed it
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the community sealed the fate of rbgs way before blitz could
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There are 3k players on the ladder. SLS1 had > 300k.
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Yeah…so, you can find your own 9 players to join you in RBGs, maybe sourcing players from a pvp community.
We don’t see RBG groups looking for pugs because those people that use to pug into RBGs teams now don’t need to worry about being denied entry. No reason left to listen to strangers explaining your spec, talent, racial, hero tree, embellishment, enchant, or gem choice is wrong so you cant play. No more waiting an hour or more for a guardian druid. No waiting to join after applying to five groups while each one decided but wont tell you that you need a higher rating than the leader to get the invite and/or they are only accepting a third healer or someone with the highest possible item level, that also must be the 1 spec to complete their meta roster.
Solo BG was created as RBGs competition, and it won, because there is no gate-keeping.
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Play BG Blitz, it’s for everyone! No need to stress about forming a trade chat random yolo team that’ll just frustrate you. Blitz automatically matches you with teammates and opponents who are on par with you, making it all fun and hassle free.
Doesn’t matter what your skills are, you don’t even need in full pvp gears, just jump in queue up. There’s always a bracket out there that fits you perfectly.
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Waiting 20-30 min for one game as a DPS in a casino simulator is better than grouping and playing with friends? Waiting 1000 years for a que pop to play by myself isn’t fun. If I want to play a solo player game, I’ll play one that doesn’t have an obnoxious que time and doesn’t cost $15 a month.
No. Blizzard did by neglecting it for over a decade. I’m tired of people blaming the community. I know it’s all anecdotal, but I’ve seen more toxicity in the first month of rated Blitz than I did the past 2 years of RBGs. Because unlike Blitz, I can choose to not play toxic people. The community’s made several suggestions to increase RBG incentive that would also give new players more opportunities to try without resorting to yolo groups, but Blizzard didn’t care enough.
No, it mostly won because most people choose convenience even if it’s bad. The RBG community’s been asking for exclusive seasonal rewards (such as mounts) for years. But Blizz thought having 99% of all PvP rewards obtainable in 5 separate brackets was a good idea. If a new/returning player wants the 1800 elite set, do they join/form a group of 10 for RBGs, a group of 2 or 3 for arenas, or do they click the Solo Shuffle or BG Blitz button and wait? Most people choose convenience even if playing with friends is more fun. And if having to wait 20-30 min per game in a casino simulator is “winning”, then we’re screwed.
It’s more for people who don’t have friends or don’t want to socialize/network in a social MMO. I think preferring to play WoW as a single player game is like going to McDonald’s for a salad, but everyone’s entitled to their likes and dislikes. Blitz is more stressful because I have no control over what team I join. Someone on my team is a toxic jerk or has their chat turned off and can’t communicate? Too bad. Have to play with them. No choice. Sure glad I waited 1000 years in queue for this…
There’s nothing inherently wrong with giving solo players content to do, I LOVE playing random bgs. But there’s a 100 ways to do it without compromising premade group brackets. Random BGs are better than Blitz in so many ways. With Blitz, you’re doing more waiting than playing. Randoms, I’m playing 4-5 times as many games in a session than I would playing Blitz. If Blitz didn’t have rated rewards, it wouldn’t be nearly as “popular” as it is now. The current overall retail PvP activity doesn’t look good.
I agree with most of what you said, but I don’t think BG Blitz undermines traditional RBG. Blizzard simply give players two options, and more people choose to play Blitz.
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Blitz absolutely undermines RBGs. If you want the elite set, weapon enchant etc., why go through the effort of forming/joining a group of 10 people when you can click a button and wait? And it usually has nothing to do with fun. The same thing happened to Arenas with Solo Shuffle. The only thing you get from Arenas that you can’t get from SS besides titles is the Glad mount which only the top % of players can get. So if you don’t expect to get there, there’s no point in trying. People enjoyed playing with their friends in arenas more than waiting in queue for SS for 1000 years, but people play SS anyway because of convenience. More people queue for SS for convenience sake —> less people sign up for LFG —> forming groups in LFG becomes harder —> more people sign up for solo. It’s a vicious cycle that snowballed and killed premades. If Blizzard took all the rewards from Normal, Heroic, and Mythic Raiding, and added them to LFR, premade group raid participation would massively decline. Practically everyone in the RBG community agrees that RBGs are 100x more fun with friends, but Blitz is more convenient. Most of them have either resorted to Blitz or quit the game entirely. And having this 1000 year wait time simulator be the “default” PvP bracket in a subscription based game when there are thousands of better solo games out there is bad.
Again I like every word you said. And you’ve figured out why Blitz is more popular. For example, I didn’t like the politics in my guild’s RBG, and I’m too lazy to start my own team. In Blitz, there’s no place for the team leader’s bootlickers, you just need your MMR to play.
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Absolutely, there are no more yolo groups for you to farm.
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You don’t need to network with bootlickers.
If you have time/patience to wait 1000 years and don’t mind losing after waiting that long because the ret pally on your team doesn’t know how to bubble while sitting a base or the rogue doesn’t ghost your base out of spite, sure. This bracket with this long of a queue time with no solution is not a sustainable model.
You come across yolo rarely a lot less as you climb. And you rarely come across them past 2k dude… Trying to pass this off as the motive for playing and the average experience for general rbg teams is just ???
Have you actually tried sitting through Blitz queue times? The first queue is actually obscenely long for whatever reason, but after that it’s not particularly uncommon to have 5-8 minute queues; not too dissimilar to the last time I did RBGs.
Extremely less time if you factor the time spent finding the last healer or a guardian druid from LFG when nobody knew anyone to pull in.
I’ve been in plenty of yolos over 2k over the years?
“High xp no voice” was a calling card for a whole segment of the RBG community that now most likely just queues Blitz; those are the people you’re missing from the bracket. They were yolos by any other name.
I literally have Strategist achievement. So yes, I did. I get 5-8 min ques on main if I’m lucky.
Not when you network enough and can form/join teams more consistently.
When you said “stomp yolos”, it sounded like the “no xp required” yolos. High xp no voice yolos usually put up a decent fight and I’ve won a fair share of games while being on some of those teams even though it wasn’t my usual method of doing rbgs.
Yes they are dead and no we don’t miss them!
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Do you not consider “networking enough” to be an equivalent time investment to…sitting in 5-15 minute queues?
Because it kind of is.
The cool thing about Blitz queues is I don’t have to join a Discord with people I’d otherwise never associate with and have nothing in common with, or listen to them gang up on the new guy for making the same kind of mistakes that they overlook when it’s their friend.
I can just engage with other hobbies while I wait, no need to mute a music bot playing the worst mumble I’ve ever heard.
If you have a friend group that genuinely likes RBGs and can field 10 bodies for it, go for it, but be honest about what your gripe is. You want other people to have to play the bracket, so you have someone for your friend group to play against. You want a large enough supply of those people that the queue lengths for RBGs will be shorter than the queue lengths for Blitz.
Your tendency to assume nobody could genuinely enjoy the more unpredictable nature of Blitz, and that anybody who didn’t like the “community” aspect of RBGs simply lacks the ability to “make friends” paints a picture of why the people who now prefer Blitz to RBGs didn’t want to be part of those “communities” in the first place.
I didn’t say stomp. I said farm. You read ‘farm’ as ‘stomp’, which is also a bit of a calling card from ye ol’ RBG ‘culture.’ There was a sizable portion of the RBG community that didn’t enjoy the game; they enjoyed being on a winning team and making fun of the losing team together, and agreeing on who the scapegoat is for their own losing games.
That parasocial dynamic is a lot harder to manage when you don’t get to blacklist people from playing with you.
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