Thank you maladath finally someone who has a clue
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I donât agree and thereâs no way to quantify that statement and using arena is not a good barometer. Been playing since Vanilla so itâs not like Iâm new to mages.
Ok then look at raiding from vanilla to now and tell me 2 raid tiers were mages were sat because all 3 specs were underperforming.
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Please point to where Iâm saying mages were\are bad. Do I believe theyâre a favorite of blizz, nope. Does that mean my opinion is right and yours is wrong? Not at all, just a difference of opinion.
Yes it is just a matter of opinion, so when you discuss those you have to use the information available.
In this case where mage is located in the meta for pve and pvp.
They are the only class in both pve and pvp where they werenât part of the top tier in at least one of their specs, in some cases all 3.
I understand difference of opinions, but you are arguing popularity and mage has always been on top.
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Actually Iâm arguing that GPY doesnât need to be removed. I gave my opinion about blizz favoring mages, not right or wrong just an opinion.
Iâm stating it and will continue but Iâm making it clear itâs my opinion while others are acting as if their opinions are a fact. Not much being said in this forum is actual fact especially when it comes to which class is OPed and which spells need to be tweaked or removed.
I guarantee youâll have the exact opposite opinion from someone.
I didnât say anything about g pyro btw. That was someone else
I am not killshotjr, thatâs what yall were talking about. I have already said what I think about gpyro and donât feel like doing it again for the 100th time.
However you said in your words that you dont think blizz favors mage, that is what you are discussing with me.
I understand this. However I support my arguement with the facts we can use. If you dispute the logic and conclusion that is fine, but to simply say itâs just my opinion then why say anything at all if you wont or cant elaborate.
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I know. I was referencing the hunter
I honestly donât think itâs a conscious favoritism at this point.
Since MoP ended theyâve done this âSPEC FANTASYâ garbage where they take everything away from people except iconic abilities and then shove Diablo 3 design into the holes they made.
Mage and Rogue retained a lot of their toolkit because thatâs what theyâre known for. High control and high burst damage, theyâre the most talked about analyzed classes with maybe warlock joining in.
Itâs easy to understand rogue, mage, and lock fantasy since theyâve been in the spotlight forever.
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hurrdurr arms spinnyspin mortal strike, paladin make immune for short time, dk big dmg monk punchy punch kicky kick haha
Yes Iâm still mad about WoD arms.
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Thatâs the problem. You can provide all the anecdotal evidence you like but that doesnât mean itâs a fact. So even if I did it highly unlikely anyone would change their opinion on matters. Most just arenât built that way
All Iâm doing is stating my opinion and not trying to convince anyone else that Iâm right and theyâre wrong. If I wanted to debate or prove my point I would but I donât. It doesnât mean I shouldnât offer it up. It also means I shouldnât be insulted for offering it up either (not you).
Iâve killed more than a couple fire mages on my baby ele shaman.
*Granted it was probably because they are an even crappier pvper than I am.
I can easily see this being the case. Its a wizard, like the staple of fantasy.
I didnt say it was a fact, nor implied it is one.
If you dont want to discuss or debate the point is fine. Leave it at that.
I donât think you know what this means. I am not using my own personal experience (which what anecdotal evidence is) I am using the numbers of representation and performance strength of the class in past to now.
Then using that information to come to a logical conclusion.
If one class is always strong and doing well in every aspect of the game and no other class can say the same, then itâs a reasonable conclusion.
Not saying its not reasonable to believe otherwise.
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But the context at what youâre using it is trying to prove something that canât be proven from those numbers. Mages being good, great fantastic the greatest doesnât == blizz favor. Your opinion is because theyâre be high in the meta means itâs irrefutable proof of said favor.
You mean your conclusion. I mean you could be right but unless blizz came out and said we favor mages, weâll never actually know and people will have many different opinions and conclusions.
Lets just say we agree to disagree
Maybe blizzard doesnât favor them, but how else do you explain it
This I am fine with doing.
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Thatâs not completely accurate. Itâs not necessarily oneâs own personal experience.
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Ghostcrawler after leaving ages ago stated there was a lot of favouritism for them by the many on the dev teams. Said it made it extremely hard to try and get them to balance them.
You can see this throughout the patch notes over the course of the game. Usually anytime an op dmg ability got nerfed, some other dmg ability would be buffed to compensate. Leading to no real change.
But favouritism is natural, everyone is going to do it. The problem is the longer it goes on, the hard it is to reign in. Because it then becomes the norm, what people have gotten used to. So then any small adjustments feel like massive nerfs.
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