Just glass cannons?
Depends what you mean by bad? In Vanilla there was very little “balancing” of damage output and consistency of how long they can maintain that DPS. But Vanilla was more an RPG where classes brought fantasy and utility. Those aspects are just seen as weaker, but the difficulty of raids in Vanilla are also known to be alot more forgiving plus you can put 40 people in a raid so you can always take some “weird” spec classes. People who ONLY want tier 1 classes specs are trying way to hard for classic and will see pretty quickly that its not nearly as difficult as it was in 2004.
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Not if your wearing mail, you won’t be. Shamans are great in PvP because they combine the tremendous damage dealing potential of casters like Mages with the survivability of a somewhat more lightly armored warrior who can heal, and the ability to disrupt the casts and buffs of all classes. They’re biggest problem is their mana management, since it is so easy to go OOM as a shaman, especially if you do more than dabble in your elemental abilities.
Edit: To specify, shaman’s are survivable not because of their tremendous personal tankiness, but because of their ability to keep other classes from doing their job. If the paladin is purged, and the mage is earth shocked, and the hunter is totem-slowed, and the rogue is broken out of stealth by a fire totem, you catch them at a disadvantage that you can use to circumvent your own shortcomings.
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Was going to say in pvp they are a nightmare for classes that survive by kiting. Presuming you are speaking of pvp.
From what i hear they die very easily in pvp and its hard for them to kill ppl with good gear cuz their dmg output isnt good enough
I did a lot of casual PvP at 60 with a shaman as elemental and it was a lot of fun. I didn’t have any real PvE experience so I can’t comment on that.
Leveling Enhancement is pretty good, from what i understand. I have one at 10, so its too early to tell, but the combo of the totem that lowers incoming melee damage and Troll regen is pretty awesome at low levels.
Im talking end game pvp
they pick up after 30 when you get WF weapon and a decent weapon. then they get better at 40 when you switch to mail armor.
if you are struggling pre 30 keep a shield+1hder to swap in for melee mobs.
in PVP with the right gear you do well against casters and with luck WF crits with a good weapon you can one shot some cloth.
melee and plate will pose a problem
google “unbreakable shaman pvp 60” loved that vid back in the day. it is the enhancement shamans ceiling basically
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I know all the videos.
But those are clips of windfury procs which doesnt happen often.
So when it doesnt go off you basically lose the fight.
They seem so brittle I am level 36 and a warrior of the same level straight up owns me.
I heard from people who mained shaman in vanilla that it doesnt change. Youre just a glass cannon that dies easily, gets kited, go OOM quickly, and pray for windfury that barely procs.
It doesnt sound too good.
you still own cloth, purge, lvl 1 earth shock frost shock, tremor, grounding and can heal
Nope. Shamans aren’t great in pvp. They’re middle of the road.
You wouldn’t ever really want more than 1-2 shamans in group pvp and they’d only mostly only be there for utility of their totems and purge. Taking 4-5 warriors is better than additional shaman. The survability of shamans because of mail is mostly negligible as far as the meta is concerned.
They’re good in 1v1 pvp, but not the best.
Yeah i also heard theres no end game gear for enhancement cuz its all healing.
Aside from pvp gear which isnt out yet
In PvP, you’re heavily proc and gear dependent, but when you have that big 2H weapon and proc Windfury on a clothie with Blood Fury, Crusader, and other effects up? They’re just dead
Because of the sheer threat of just being either up and deleted or critically damaged by an Enh with a big axe, they’re often priority targets in PvP, so be wary of this when BGs hit and you’re PvPing with others in the world
PvE, sadly, due to the heavy proc nature and how expensive Stormstrike is to cast, your DPS is going to fall off compared to other DPS classes
However, if you go in with Nightfall and Improved Totems, you make your raid a lot stronger and you probably won’t be on the bottom of the DPS charts, so if you want in a raid group that’s your best bet, especially if it’s melee heavy due to Windfury Totem
pvp before level 60 is quite irrelevant… You are missing skills and tools that will help you greatly. Also, some classes are heavy gear dependant. keep that in mind. If your opponent has better gear, it’s a big advantage.
I played enh shaman back during vanilla and it was awesome.
People were fond of saying “there were no enhancement shaman in vanilla”, not really true but to make the point that the SPEC wasn’t super duper welcome and not all that welcome on raids either. Threat was just to unpredictable is part of it and Horde didn’t have super magic pally raid powers to help with that. Pretty much commonly raid shaman were healers and the occasional off-tank, NOT TOTALLY THOUGH.
Shaman and Pally were thought up as a pair. Pally - defensive hybrid. Shaman - offensive hybrid. I remember that shaman even had lower base health, I can’t remember when they patched it … BC or Wrath, but in the patch they gave all shaman another 500 or 1000 or so health and said “yeah, we don’t know why shaman were handicapped but it doesn’t fit anymore”.
With gear though, enh shaman can have some good success of course. A lot of gear.
I played a resto raid shaman who PvPd as enhance, and raided/PvPd with a rogue as well.
Rogues will wreck you, it’s the evasion that does it.
Warriors will straight up take a dump on your face, and you’ll like it.
You’ll eat casters. Hunters, well, that depends on who has initiative.
I have a 36 shaman and 20 rogue.
Which should i stick with?
Sounds like shaman just arent great.