Are draenor orcs still relevant?

Behold the mighty orc, fearless warriors, ruthless conquerors, weavers of the elements. Once tainted and brought down by the fel, have been given a rebirth on Azeroth from across time and space to do…what?

I’m alittle out of the loop so it’s very likely I’m missing some details but do we have any leaders currently on the scene?

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I think Geya’rah is the Leader, right?

I haven’t seen much of her this expansion, would be nice to see more of her.

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AU Draenor or MU Draenor, now known as Outland?

The Mag’har Allied Race is entirely made up of AU Draenor characters.

Outland probably still has some settlements, not much going on there as far as we know. The Draenei are in full swing preparing to build a new city and new Auchindoun on Azeroth.

Geya’rah (AU Thrall imo) is a main character for the Horde in TWW.

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I think the alternative time line is still in play… its likely a plot seed should they need one later.

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As far as we know, AU Draenor is dying due to the Tyranny of the Light brought on by the Naaru and AU Yrel following the cleansing of demons from the planet. The Lightbound have some Orc Champions, such as AU Garrosh. But the planet is dying due to oversaturation of the Light.

The Mag’har Orc Allied Race flee AU Draenor to avoid its destruction and make their home on Azeroth now.

Draenor (alternate universe) - Wowpedia - Your wiki guide to the World of Warcraft (fandom.com)

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Interesting read, thank you for the link. Is there any explanation to how the light killed the planet? I may just need to take a deep dive on the lore again. Also, the article says without demons to fight the naaru became fixated with the light. Why? If the legion was driven out and there were no more demons, wouldn’t the lights job be done?

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I treat it the same as the time rift timelines. I think its treated as closed less the need arises for an expansion

We definetly should look into that. This is about s healthy balance. I played the Mag’har joinment quest on a bloodelf warrior but RP wise I consider that character as a follower of the Light. But I saw no contradiction in that. The light is a good force but just as with sunlight, too much would burn you and scorch the land. And converting people by force are unacceptable. None of my paladins and priests would consider doing that. Free will is sacred and indeed priestly mindcontrol abilities are shadow abilities.

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Never have been.

Even during Warlorcs, the real villains were the Legion and the Orcs were just misdirection.

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It’s hearsay from the orcs who are fighting the Lightbound, honestly.
In truth, it was probably the orcs killing off the genesaurs and breakers and over-industrializing that did it, if anything.

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ACKSHUALLY.

The oversaturation of the Light theory is just what the Mag’har Orcs believe, whose perspective that we take on during the Mag’har origin quests.

The Lightbound Draenei believe that the disintegration is due to the Orcs overuse of the world’s resources.

Also, both may be wrong and it might just be the timeline destabilizing and falling apart because it was interfered with too much. One way or another the AU Draenor timeline is supposed to be falling apart, but it’s all just theories until Blizz nails something down.

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My theory is that it’s a combination of the lightforged “converting” orcs away from their communion with the elements along with continuing to utilize Argus tech (which we know Draenor responded badly to).

That is where i’m confused too as the Naruu should’ve gone bonkers without the Legion when the Draenei settled… Draenor. :robot::thought_balloon:

My assumption has been that they’ve largely been assimilated in much larger population of Azeroth orcs - once they crossed over and moved in, I don’t really see any barrier (biological, cultural or geographical), that would cause them to remain a distinct society.

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The draenei was definitely behaving like colonials. Arriving at a for them new world and then name it after themselves despite there already being people living there. Ogres, orcs, gronn, Arrakoa and probably something I missed. Their world but the draenei named the place after themself. That is the behaviour of a conqueror.

no orc has ever been relevant

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We should be able to see more of that eventually. I do not consider bloodelves to be a race at all for instance. They are just highelves with a cultural twist.

There’s a haiku in there … love it :green_heart:

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You managed to 7v1 a human kingdom whose back was turned, but ever since then it’s been L after L for the orcs. You’d think they’d realize after awhile.

Speaking of that. How come they have no strongholds in the Eastern Kingdoms? No, Silvermoon and Undercity doesn’t count those joined out of convivence. The only “conquered” ´territory are some outposts. And the outpost in Swamp of Sorrow (Stoneard) is supposedly, well at least used to be supported with caravans from coming up through Stranglethorn. That means driving them through Duskwood and that would clash with Darkshire, an alliance town. My head canon is that the Horde made some kind of deal with the people of Darkshire to let them drive through unmolested. They got enough problems with the worgen threat after all.