Too many people treat a random +2 as if they’re competing for MDI finals.
I’ll stick with Delves.
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DataforAzeroth
Delves are time gated and limited. They are just an easier starting point in getting to higher keys which offer gear that delves do not.
You just said yourself OP that after getting geared up you’d be moving on from delves to higher to higher keys, so obviously delves don’t invalidate M+
Delves are fine, do your high keys that give better gear and let the casual folks enjoy themselves.
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Or healers
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on my blood dk, i did a t8 (successfully yesterday at 580 item level) my friend that plays a frost mage as 596 and she cant even come close to completing one solo, she can barely do a 4
Skill issue. I easily completed my first T8 at 585.
she is older and has bad Arthritis. So yeah she would agree with you
Then it is what it is. If T4 is her limit as a Frost Mage, there is nothing much we can do.
You really can’t go far with health impairments in WoW, as even the least APM spec will need twitch reactions to get far in delves =/
In her case, I’d suggest going in duos.
yup thats what we do, would be nice if they added a handicap system in the game to make it “easier” for people that dont have a fully functioning hand/fingers but we all know if they did that everyone would exploit that
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It’s like we’ve come full circle. I distinctly remember raiders saying the same thing about m+ a few years ago…
I blocked 3rd party sites on my account.
I don’t need a raider IO or any other scoring site for any reason for what I do in game
Therefore they don’t need me.
My IO scores had better be nil.
You’re still going to need to do the same progression with M+ since people don’t just look at gearscore, they also look at mythic+ score.
the exception is tanking since people are desperate to reduce the wait times so are generally more lenient with tanks. Healing too, but knowing pull patterns is far more intensive for healers to know when to dps/use utility/use cooldowns.
So there really is no reason to wait, since you need to get your M+ score up if you want to stand a chance of getting into those high key groups. of course you can get lucky but if you were starting a group who would you take, someone with 610 gear and 0 m+ score or someone with 610 gear and 1000 m+ score?
the game has built in m+ scores that show up when you apply to groups
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That one I’ll put up with.
it’s in-game.
The 3rd party data scrapers are the ones I wanted to block.
It’s the same thing: your IO scores will not be “nil” because blizzard has an M+ api that whatever third party site uses if you’re relevant enough.
The benefit of using the addons/app is to keep your score as up-to-date as possible without the limitations of the blizzard API and use all of the various tools that come with it.
Besides, if you run an M+ with anyone who’s using the addon/app, their sharing includes you.
My only point was there is no blocking/hiding from that data being gathered.
It’s spec dependent. Bosses and mini-bosses can be immune most or all forms of CC. They also tend to be very fast so they can’t be effectively kited by most specs or at all. Armored classes generally have a large advantage and pet tank classes are usually EZ mode.
Im actually not doing any m+, playing solo is way better than looking for tank and healer, then someone leave and you gota look for group again
I do mythic+ because I enjoy the challenging healing content more. I don’t mind if someone solos and gets equivalent gear. It means the people in mythic+ want to be there. Makes for a better experience for everyone.
How is using a healer through delves???
I imagine running holy priest would be a major pain in the rear end. Health sponge bosses that hit hard periodically make for no fun healer soloing.
I guess you havent played wow long enuf, m+ is one if not most toxic environments in the game