Nah , easy is facerolling normal raids and getting 603 gear lolz
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While definitely true of normal raids, Delve 8s are also nowhere near as difficult as normal raids, FWIW
You can mostly steamroll normal raid, seeing an average of about 1.2 pieces of champion loot over the first 6 bosses, versus an average of 4 champion pieces for about half the time (counting the weekly caches). And that was pre nerf delves!
The only reason I don’t take the stance of “delves make gearing too easy” fully is because Champion track loot only takes you up to the point where content starts to matter, and not beyond it. A Heroic piece every week from GV is whatever when M+ offers that are a +3 and with a better array of loot options, and by the time you would typically be 2/3rds geared from 8 straight weeks of unique slotted GV hero track items , the content tier is generally over outside of the top end content anyway; you’re realistically behind most progression at that pace.
Delves do give access to heroic loot outside of GV, however, and the drop rate of the item that permits this appears to be just high enough that we can expect someone spending 8 weeks of bountiful delves to also have had around 6-7 Hero pieces from just bonus chests, and that rate is probably a smidge high. For the original difficulty of delves, it felt decent, but post nerfs, it probably needs to have the item drop rate lowered by about 0.5-1% per chest to better reflect that difficulty shift.
Either way, it’s still larger RNG than heroic raiding, and it’s not repeatable like M+7 content, so the issue is more “rate” than “should it”. For me, at least
The only raid boss that is remotely difficult is the last one, the dam queen cause it has been oversaturated with mechanics and phases , every other boss is a roll over which is seriously disappointing .
I don’t see delves 8 as a roll over, If I were rush it and pull every mob and go to the end , you would just die . Forget 9 , 10 and 11 just 8
I don’t see a player reaching 616 ilvl just by doing delve in 20 weeks you got to enormously lucky to not get dupes for all those 20 weeks . This is the same phobia some ppl had with titanforge where an lfr guy will get full titan forge mythic raid ilvl in lfr .
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I’m okay with farming Delves to get strong loot that aids me in what I enjoy the most, which is M+.
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no.
next question
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There’s RNG on what drops on the vault and Map has been 1 in 24 delves to me, granted, some of those were bugged runs which dropped no crests at all either.
Regardless, considering t8 drops, maps and vault, for upgrading, you need the following crests:
- 603 (c 3/8) → 619 (c8/8) - 60 runed and 15 carved.
- 610 (h 1/8) → 626 (h6/6) - 30 guilded, 45 runed.
- 619 (h 4/8) → 626 (h6/6) - 30 guilded.
That’s per item.
Assuming the season runs for 4.5 months, at 4.2 weeks per month we get around 19 weeks.
Assuming great vault/map RNG with no overlaps (~70% yield, 11 pieces; 8 vault, 3 maps).
We’d be looking at:
8 619s (h3/6)
3 610s (h1/6)
5 603s (c3/8)
For a grand total of 240 gilded crests for the 619 pieces.
It will never happen for a delver, so ilvl 619( c8/8; h3/6) should be the end goal for solo delvers.
Let’s focus on other pieces.
For the ilvl 610 pieces, we’d need 3 upgraded to 619 (45 runed per piece).
Let’s round it down to 23 runs (2 runes crests per run) per piece, so 69 runs, just for the map drops.
Finally, we have 5 603s. Considering carved crests a non-issue (which it’s not, but let’s assume it is), we’d need 60 runes per piece, 30 runs. So, 150 runs.
In summary, with great RNG, to reach the feasible cap of ilvl 619, a delver needs 219 runs.
In an extended season of 19 weeks, it’d be around 11 runs per week, with one extra run per month.
I don’t find it healthy to go over 8 runs of anything, so I really think the amount of runed crest drops should be increased OR higher tiers should give better crest rewards (4 runed on t9, 2 gilded on t10, 4 gilded on t11. Killing the minibosses would be mandatory).
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You want a serious sample size and source for m+ metrics but use a “from what I see” to support your interpretation of what motivates people? 
That makes no sense. I’m not claiming anything.
See the difference.
It has been claimed many times now that mythic has roughly 30% participation. To believe that, yes I would need reputable sources and accurate numbers. I’m simply saying in my experience, most players aren’t doing mythic plus.
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If you’re willing to believe that without any evidence, why wouldn’t you believe what everyone else says? Or at least admit that nobody has enough information to actually know how many people are doing anything.
And you’re also making several inferences about why people are doing or not doing content, with no data to support those ideas.
If your focused on gearing up than by this point in the week you should be peaked out on what you can get. I’ve completed my 4 keys, ran my memories for more keys, completed all the bosses but queen in normal raid with my guild. My choices now are , continue running bountiful delves for a very small chance at a map, pug the raid, or do m+ for score. I’m gonna do m+ for score and maybe gear. I don’t want to pug the raid and I’ll probably do some delves when I don’t have enough time for m+. Getting my m+ score up though is a major priority this week so I don’t get left behind in a few weeks.
I’m not asking everyone to believe my experience. What else do i have other than my experience to go on? Am I going to have zero opinion, and discount my experience? No, because nobody does that. If it happens to start matching people, then we start to have more of a sample size to go on, but I’m sure a mythic plus player’s opinion is skewed on the topic as well.
Nobody here is doing real data collection on it, and even if they were, most data collection is not even accurate. As it will only account for a single variable. We’d need participation percentages per level of mythics. Not in one conglomerate of a percentage, because as I said earlier, I would have been figured into those figures having only ran 2 mythic dungeons one season. No doubt they’d count that as a mythic plus player. and I am certainly not one.
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i do delves to avoid m+
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You basically have to do delves to gear for m+ unless you are a tank/healer, you are in a guild with people who will run M+ with you, or you have friends who play.
I don’t do M+. But I’ve been having no issues gearing out my toons with delves.
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I did the work for you I think M+ only appeals to small segment of the player base
30% is right on point
There’s still no source! Where did you find the Keystone explorer statistics? I’m not going through 600 comments to find it, if it’s even in that discussion.
If I can clear delves, I think that’s a pretty strong argument that they’re fairly easy. Granted I’m apparently overgeared for T8 now, but that’s just compensating for my lack of ability.
I won’t be doing anything that awards gilded crests, so my ilvl cap is effectively hero track/619 anyway. I can basically do nothing but delves this entire season and be just fine!
The problem with Delves is that they currently make everything else a poor effort VS. reward calculation.
I suppose i can glue the gray crap I have been getting as delve rewards to my body, a fang here , a wing there.