Arcane Missiles and Clear Casting (Arcane Concentration) bug

Ohsome-suramar · September 17, 2019, 4:53pm

Hello

Arcane Missiles is supposed to be able to trigger Clearcasting with every missile hit, but instead it is only working with the initial cast of the spell.

This is making Arcane mages borderline unplayable as your mana drains out really really fast, in a build that was supposed to be the opposite of that (less damage than Fire or Frost but more mana durable.)

This has been reported a few times, but not sign of a fix yet. There’s even old patch notes around confirming that it is supposed to trigger on every missile by patch 1.12.

Please fix this as soon as possible.

Askeji-frostmourne · September 19, 2019, 1:18am

Levelling an arcane mage now and just found this out myself too. I thought maybe I was just really…unlucky. Googled it and sure enough, it’s a bug.

Cmon, like, when you read the spells and talents, it’s like arcane missiles was intended to have synergy with this talent. How many people are using it and thinking that it does? You might have a more interesting game if this spell actually had some viability in some niche way.

Can we at least get this listed in the known bugs section? Feel so ignored right now.

Ohsome-suramar · September 19, 2019, 3:09am

Yeah, if you look at old patch notes there’s mention of Arcane Missiles specifically being able to proc with every hit.

I had to respec into Frost because Arcane just isn’t viable without it. Mana goes out in a few casts only. But since I’m no really into Frost I ended up just shelving my mage and playing something else.

Aoeyolo-benediction · September 23, 2019, 6:37am

I agree, you would think that blizzard would have fixed this bug after it happened in the original version of Classic wow. They seemed to have fixed other issues in the game with other spells and abilities, but not arcane missiles and arcane concentration? I’m hoping in the next patch that they fix this bug immediately.

Aristeia-stalagg · September 23, 2019, 8:39pm

This is not true. This was bugged private server behavior.

Clearcasting can only proc on the cast point of the first missile being reached.

Find a single vanilla video where a clearcast procs at not this moment. You won’t.

Please don’t make false bug reports for things easily searchable in a few seconds. This bugged behavior was known to be wrong on pservers for years.

The 1.9 patch note you read is does not signify at all that it’s a per-volley basis.

Arcane Missiles only ever procced off the first missile. AE only ever had a 10% chance on cast, not on hit (despite the wording of Clearcast making it sound like it would), etc.

This is not a bug.

Again, find a single vanilla video where a Clearcast proc happens on not the first missile. The standard PvP spec is 17/0/34, even back then, so mages had Clearcast. Spoiler alert: Not ever has one person been able to do it in the years of pservers.

edit: proof summary https (colon) //github (dot) com/SunwellWoW/Sunwell-TBC-Bugtracker/issues/3691

“Unlike “on spell hit” effects, Arcane Concentration cannot proc off each hit of an Arcane Missiles’ bolt, but only off the initial hit of AM itself.”

“-Clearcasting can only proc on arcane missiles at the moment before the first missile where the mana is consumed, NOT on each missile individually.”

https (colon) //www (dot) youtube (dot) com/watch?v=c2RtyFh5TnE

Fix the link.

I played a mage through WotLK. Arcane Missiles never proc’d per missile.

Ix-bigglesworth · September 26, 2019, 12:43am

You link to a video from a mage in BC showing off AM crits & a discussion from a BC private server?

How is this relevant to the conversation?

Aristeia-stalagg · September 26, 2019, 2:54am

The discussions are from vanilla patches.

The video is from BC, correct, but you will see no patch notes between then and vanilla that would explain differing behavior.

And further, you will find no video in vanilla where clearcast procs at a different time.

Arcane Missiles never proc’d on a per-missile basis from Clearcasting.

Zagara-skeram · September 26, 2019, 2:55pm

Retail vanilla wow, casting spells that did damage but hit no target (blizzard, arcane explo) did proc clear casting. It was part of mage dueling to spam r1 explo pre duel for clearcast

Aristeia-stalagg · September 26, 2019, 7:23pm

I believe the 1.9 patch note about AE refers to fixing that, and obviously this is 1.12, so no it is not a bug.

Ix-bigglesworth · September 27, 2019, 4:29am

And there are no patch notes between 1.9 and 3.0.8 addressing clearcasting & arcane missiles. By that logic, arcane missiles should have been able to trigger arcane concentration off of any of the missiles between patches 1.9 & 3.0.8.

Patch 3.0.8:

*Arcane Missiles: This spell now only has one chance to trigger Arcane Concentration.

Aristeia-stalagg · September 27, 2019, 8:19pm

I’ve already told you, the onus is on the accuser to prove the bug.

Find an instance where Clearcast procs in a vanilla video.

Done with this thread.

Another quote from the thread:"

"

2.2 PTR changes

I’m not able to verify atm, but there are reports that the PTR changes to AM are more extensive than indicated in the patch notes. Specifically, there have been reports that chance on hit procs can now proc on each wave of AM rather than just the initial cast. As I said, I cannot verify atm. If anyone can verify, it would be helpful to also check this against arcane concentration (clearcasting): the talent note says spell land, but it seems unlikely that Blue would allow that to hit the PTR, much less live. The item procs should be testable using spellstrike 2/2 or the mystical skyfire diamond meta. I believe robes of the elder scribes has a hidden cooldown, but I suppose it would work for testing as well. Hecuba 30 Aug 2007" - the wow gampedia discussion link above

Signifying that until patch 2.2 it proc’d only at that moment.

Any discussion you can find in vanilla states that it proc’d at that one moment, and in every video you can find, Clearcast procs only at that moment.

Now, again, less hearsay and more finding proof bud.

Your job is way easier than mine. All you need to find is ONE SINGLE moment where Clearcast procs on the 2nd-5th missile volley. Why can’t you do it?

I’m getting a little tired of the disrespect on these forums, not even just this thread, of people coming in here with hearsay and “just believe me, I know I’m right” and flooding Blizzard with false tickets when there are vital issues, while I (and many others) hunt down actual link and proof.

Proof. Or. Out.

Golias-westfall · October 6, 2019, 9:02pm

Patch notes 1.9

Arcane Missiles - Will now be able to trigger procs based on dealing damage.

Patch notes 3.0.8

Arcane Missiles: This spell now only has one chance to trigger Arcane Concentration.

That is more than enough proof. Definitely, the frigging official patch notes are much more reliable proof than some hearsay talk about PTR realm.

While the 1.9 mentions “procs” and does not specifically says Clearcasting, the 3.0.8 patch clearly states that this was the point where Arcane Missiles STOPPED procing Clearcasting, meaning at least between 1.9 and 3.0.8 this was the case, since there are no other mention of such changes in any other patch in between.

So this is a fact.

End of story.

It’s bugged. Needs to be fixed.

Brackwater-anathema · October 6, 2019, 9:24pm

Patch notes really do speak for themselves here. This whole “show video proof or gtfo” thing is some private server rationale nonsense.

Personally I would really love to try to make a deep spec Arcane mage. But the viability hinges pretty heavily on clearcasting missiles. I mean, even then it’s not the most efficient way to play a mage. But it would be pretty fun.

Golias-westfall · October 6, 2019, 11:21pm

True.

Arcane will never be top dps compared to fire and frost. It’s “thing” was being mana efficient instead, and all due to Clearcasting synergy with Arcane Missiles.

With this bugged it becomes pointless.

Dinuguan-bloodsail-buccaneers · October 12, 2019, 11:41pm

So yes this is completely a bug and yes it does need to be fixed but it may not be which would be very very sad, I think in order to actually get some movement from blizzard on this is just enough noise so let’s type of those bug reports and contact your local YouTuber and also watch this vid You too blizard if you’re watching this feed https://youtu.be/i1rNdWoRyuw

Aristeia-stalagg · October 13, 2019, 6:30am

Not all changes are documented in patch notes.

Arcane Missiles never proc’d per cast, as per ANY discussion pre 2007, as I have linked.

And now we have some idiot linking an Arcane Mage guide from a private server.

You are all actually braindead.

You cannot find anything other than the 1.9 patch note stating that Arcane Missiles can now trigger on-damage effects (WHICH DOES NOT CLARIFY OR ANSWER THE QUESTION AT ALL WHETHER IT’S ON A PER-VOLLEY BASIS).

All discussion I have linked from 2005-2007, from patch 1.9 into TBC, states that Clearcasting procs only on the first volley. Any video of vanilla only shows Clearcast proccing on the first volley. There is no discussion stating otherwise nor any video proof you can find proving the opposite (nor, btw, has anyone produced counterevidence in the years of pservers).

What is this world coming to that basic argumentation and supporting your claims are completely unneeded. Just repeat ad-infinitum “you’re wrong” until the opposition gets exhausted and then you’ve won the argument in your own twisted minds.

AGAIN:

Your (unsupported) claim: From patch 1.9 to 3.0.8, Arcane Missiles procced Clearcast PER VOLLEY.

https://wowwiki.fandom.com/wiki/Arcane_Concentration?direction=next&oldid=1018562

Revision as of 07:19, March 12, 2008 (PATCH 2.3.3, BETWEEN 1.9 and 3.0.8 to be explicit, I know 1<2<3 might be hard for people as braindead as you all)

Unlike “on spell hit” effects, Arcane Concentration cannot proc off each hit of an Arcane Missiles’ bolt, but only off the initial hit of AM itself.

Some undocumented change or bug caused a change in Clearcast dipping per volley before 3.0.8, but it certainly wasn’t that patch 1.9 note that did it.

Further,

https://wow.gamepedia.com/Talk:Arcane_Missiles#Arcane_Missiles_with_Clearcasting

-Clearcasting can only proc on arcane missiles at the moment before the first missile where the mana is consumed, NOT on each missile individually.

Dragunov 21:33, 1 April 2008 (patch 2.4.1) (UTC)Dragunov April 2008

https://wow.gamepedia.com/Talk:Arcane_Missiles#2.2_PTR_changes

I’m not able to verify atm, but there are reports that the PTR changes to AM are more extensive than indicated in the patch notes. Specifically, there have been reports that chance on hit procs can now proc on each wave of AM rather than just the initial cast.

Hecuba 30 Aug 2007 (patch 2.1.3)

This obviously was fixed on the PTR or not true, because the other comments from 2.3.3 and 2.4.1 state that the proc is on the first volley only. What this comment does tell us is that as of Aug 2007 Patch 2.1.3, Clearcast had always procced on only the first volley.

In vanilla and at least most of TBC (I personally never remember Clearcast proccing per missile ever in TBC), Arcane Missiles has 1 roll, at the first volley, on a Clearcast proc.

Sometime before 3.0.8 but after 2.4.1 (aka, NOT VANILLA, to be explicit for the braindead), this changed either intentionally or due to a bug (probably in the Wrath pre-patch) and was reverted.

This thread is over.

Patch dates from https://wow.gamepedia.com/Patch/2.x