Arcane mage, planning for the future

So, I’m just getting ready to enter Maldraxxus, but am looking to the future for Covenants and Legendaries. Icy Veins and Wowhead seem to disagree on Covenants (Necrolord vs Night Fae), and Icy Veins doesn’t seem to think Arcane Harmony is even worth mentioning.

Both really love Temporal Warp (which is a great once/ten minutes thing), and Arcane Bombardment as a finisher. Arcane Harmony, as relatively easy to get, and usable all the time, seems to be a bit of a winner to me.

Anyway, at the moment all I’m planning on doing is single-player stuff; this isn’t my main, but I’m curious about personal experiences with either Cov or Legendaries.

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go venthyr and get Arcane Harmony - its mega BIS now.

I play Kyrian arcane with arcane harmony. Rotation and playstyle is different, but it hits really hard if you hit your cd’s correctly. I’ve gotten 120k crits single target many times with this spec/cov.

Love the obvious trolling from Bliz on their annual April 1 post:

Mage Class Changes: No changes needed.

LOL… yea I saw that.

Me quitting until I see arcane mage upgrades to help in arena is definitely not a troll.

They got until the middle of April to get those patch notes up for us to read.

It doesn’t need a buff. It needs a rework or a reset back to Legion arcane (speaking as a mage who was devoutly arcane until BfA and tried it for the first month of SL).

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Blizz doesn’t do reworks or resets in the middle of expansions.

Best we can hope for is a buff to tide us through until the next expansion pre-patch.

This I know. Just think it’s terrible that it’s another expansion where the answer is aura buffs and ignoring the actual issues.

But that’s magelife for ya.

Ok, here’s the thing: the way SL was designed, with the covenants system and legendaries that each tend to support only one type of play style, ST, AoE, or cleave but very rarely more than one really threw a monkey wrench into the thereocrafting. There is just too much variance for sims to accurately predict anything and when you couple that with the very poorly designed raid and the additional RNG factor that M+ affixes introduce there is only so much predictive potential. All that is to say you really shouldn’t be surprised at the conflicting opinions coming out of different outlets like wowhead or icy veins.

I tend to personally look at real life numbers which I feel tell the real story. When it comes to covenants it is very clear cut. 72% of Arcane mages play NF, 12% are Venthyr, and it’s a roughly even split of 8% between Kyrian and Necrolord. This is after the covenant shake up but it more or less tracks with the previous alignment meaning that a very, very small percentage of players made the switch even though the other covenants became significantly better than their previous iterations.

What that tells me is (1) most people just couldn’t be bothered to change and rightly so because it’s a stupid system and (2) Shifting Power is just far superior to the other covenant abilities because it plays to Arcane strength/niche which atm is burst AoE. Meanwhile all of the other covenant abilities augment weaker areas of the spec, such as ST and Cleave, and it’s always better to play to a spec’s strengths than trying to use bandaids to fix its weaknesses. You just get better results that way.

As for legendaries, let’s be real, they are all terrible. For the most part they are weaker versions of their Legion counterparts or BfA Azerite traits and that’s true across the board. The reason why all the sims pick Temporal Warp as the top ST legendary is because that’s true on paper but not necessarily so in reality. It is also useless in solo content, like Torghast, and can really mess your group up in M+. You mentioned this isn’t your main which likely means you will only craft one legendary so this definitely shouldn’t be it. The only two remaining contenders are Arcane Bombardment and Harmony.

I went into SL liking Harmony the most and it was the first legendary I crafted and upgraded to max but I absolutely hated its play style. The fact that it’s always active unlike Bombardment which only tiggers at 35% health seems attractive at first but then you realize how tedious it is to get to max stacks and how annoying it is to have to ramp up your charges every time you drop them with the empowered ABarr. Harmony works really well with Radiant Spark (the Kyrian covenant ability) but, and this is key, only with perfect execution and you only see the huge numbers people mention when you stack all your cooldowns including RoP which I just refuse to use as a matter of principle. In other words you can only get those insane 100k crits (assuming ABarr even crits) just a few times in an average legit fight.

This leaves Arcane Bombardment as the only real alternative but while it’s amazing in AoE and fair in cleave fights it’s pretty bad in ST but the reverse is true for the other legendaries so you will always have that trade off and that’s not on you but rather poor design on Blizzard’s part.

Just to end on a good note, since this is just going to be an alt for you just do whatever seems the most fun for you and just say the hell with it to the meta. After all if Blizzard doesn’t care why should we?

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Thanks. Yeah, I’m totally looking for personal experience, especially since if I stick with Arcane (spoiler alert: I will), I feel like I’ll be the only one out there.

Nope, I’m almost ready to try some rated BGs with my arcane mage. But right now I’m trying to practice against “good” rogues. So far the only thing I can think of is to blink out of the first stun and hit my alter time if they are cloaked and chasing me. This way I’ll have a second blink up and ready again if they shadowstep to me. Now if they sprint that’s when I need to use my Soulshape and “greater invisibility.” I chose the greater invisibility pvp talent because it gives you a 60% reduction in damage for a few seconds and is now on a 1 min 15 second cooldown.

Anyway that’s the theorycraft but I haven’t had many chances to practice it.

The other possibility is that even Arcane Mages have backups, and since playing Fire is seen as a requirement by certain groups for certain content, those Mages stay NF so that they aren’t gimped if they have to play Fire (plus NF is not too bad for Arcane).

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True. But I am a hold out never gonna swap, lol. Although it does irk me when even the game keeps telling I should by always dropping Fire stuff. When I was upgrading conduits way back the first 3 I got were the Fire potency ones. :upside_down_face:

P.S. Did you race change to a troll? I could have sworn you were a blood elf (I always notice the abs on BEs with revealing mogs, lmao). Why would you give up the master elf race for a chiropractor’s dream (berserk, I know, I know)? :joy::joy::joy:

I did, unfortunately, lol. But I have two alts who happen to be blood elves in revealing xmog haha ^^. Before this char was a troll or a belf he was a Vulpera at one time as well :joy:

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Well, I’m in Ardenweald right now, and so not in love with the NF special ability, although part of that is the pre-60 scaling that just makes everything that much harder.

Kyrian is still looking good, and Necrolord is not that bad. I’ll have to see how it works out.

I’d still love to hear from the two or three other Arcane mages stubbornly sticking with it.

Between the two, Icy Veins is more current than wowhead is. Arcane is in a wonky position with its covs (like some other specs) where its best covs change depending on content. It does best ST with Venthyr and best cleave with Necro. Necro is also the go-to for Sludgefist. Full on AoE will probably still go to Night Fae.

If you’re going to multi-spec then you might want to consider the covs that work best for your other spec(s).

I just dipped my toes in Bastion, dinged 50 after dropping into the Maw at 48, left to pause my experience so I can finish BFA quests with the dungeon finder…

But Arcane Harmony I’d be interested in to see if a Haste build would work. I’d talent Rule of Threes, Focus Magic in groups or Incanter’s Flow solo, and Enlightened. Gear 30% Crit and Mastery, 25% Haste. Haste is the cheapest secondary…

Cast the 3 Blasts, free hardcast Missiles, 4th Blast, then 2 more missiles, hardcast or clear cast. It would work the most like a combo point system, Mana would probably never be an issue so would benefit from the Enlightened buff. Very little variance, your Barrage is buffed between 120-144% every time after 7 casts.

There is indeed an Enlightened+IF build but for mythic+ with night fae and bombardment.
It was amazing but from experience I can say it only works well in AoE because the increased rate at which you cast of AB’s helps you stay over 70% mana very easily. Single target rotation + high haste is a recipe for quickly burning trough your mana, especially if you’re gonna have to hardcast AM until 12+ stacks

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Check out Broffessor Hemlock’s channel on youtube. He’s a great Arcane theorycfrafter

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I started playing with that build as soon as the soulbind that makes it possible was unlocked and it produces amazing results, especially on Fortified weeks. But I arrived at the build on my own without even knowing who that guy was and my version doesn’t use Enlightenment.

I have since looked at his videos and I think he overemphasizes the importance of Enlightenment. I have never used it myself, opting instead for Overpowered, and I find it to yield very similar results without the incredible annoyance of having to constantly stuff your face with mana buns between pulls to make certain you’re over the 70% threshold.

Not having to worry about mana micromanagement is a godsend. Not only do I not have to drink between pills anymore but I rarely even have to Evocate outside of bosses, it’s amazing and frankly makes me want Arcane reworked so it doesn’t use mana at all (like literally every other caster spec) that much more!

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