I remember him being confused and was like, “Jaina… why are you crying?”
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I intepret that as he doesn’t want to get all mushy/sentimental about it as oppose to being angry at her!
The problem is more of the opposite, that men are not allowed to be emotional. Hence why Varian’s “bah” was about him not wanting to get all sentimental about the whole thing.
The problem is also that the women are clearly written as emotional train wrecks who just can’t help themselves and sylvanas, tyrande, etc are always acting irrational until a man comes along to explain to them the right way to do things.
Like a certain cringe inducing scenario in MoP
I wonder about you sometimes. Truthfully 
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So we ignore how Varian was an emotional wreck until he was helped by Malfurion(and even then he was sliding in and out of it) or Genn going rage mode at the most inopportune time. Heck, even Velen decided to attack us as we tried to stop his son from BLOWING UP THE EXODAR. It like people in general are less rational in stressful/life or death situations.
In fact, originally it was JAINA who was helping Varian’s two sides become a more coherent person.
You mean the one where a certain priestess keep jumping into trouble regardless of how it might affect other people around her and that abit of patience might actually be needed? Gee, I wonder if maybe she should have actually tried to pay attention to the lesson.
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You mean, the one where a MAN had to teach a 10,000 year old battle hardened priestess with more combat experience than the entirety of humanity on how to not run into to traps?
You seriously can not ever just admit when something is sexist can you? Are you really that incapable?
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She’s impulsive since her W3 introduction though. That bridge and her getting lost in Silverpine comes to mind. Or when she killed her fellow night elves to free Illidan, which admittedly worked out in the end, but she had no idea it would back then. A Little Patience is completely in character for Tyrande.
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Men…I really just can’t with this forum anymore
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their present into the ashenvale make them evil either way…
you clearly forget context:
A) The warden do not follow the order of tyrande and even attacked HER first.
B) Impulsive and simply DUMP are two different things, she was as a Charackter impulsive, but she was not dumb…and even her tacticts in wc3 - if you use this source material - were pretty smart and often worked out, even against the legion
SO, no, a little patience was not incharakcter…impulsive did not mean dump…and she was not impulsive there, a human warrior king have her to tell about the tactics the night elfs and the sentinel use for 10000 years? Don´t make me laugh.
zerde, this is definitly an argument in bad faith because…the night elf use this type of battletype…the ENTIREtime, it was absolutly nonsense that varian can teach her anything in this moment about this type of battletactics.
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Didn’t the Highborne used to take humans as slaves, or something? I saw that mentioned once on the forums, and on an MMO-Champion thread, but it’s not on Wowpedia. I don’t know how long humans were around.
the highborne ancestors of the bloodelves wanted to take the early human tribes as slaves during their arrival in lordaeron, but dath’Remar forbid it.
That’s veeery old lore from The Last Guardian written in 2002. Probably retconned by now but yeah, Medivh claimed it there.
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from the old empire of the kaldorei? yes, but the other ones are still intact, written down in chronicle
Probably the main reason I despise Alliance story. It almost always boils down to this.
I think Anduin would love Zekhan .
The EK Alliance would rather the Nelves just roll over and forget their homes (and be available to help take over Loraeron because MHP’s only care about their Deus Vult fantasy) And the Kalimdor Horde would rather the nelves just let them destroy their lands to build more war machines.
I want a useless job with that much security.
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I was upset to see that they removed Metzens cameo. It would be like removing a Stan Lee cameo.
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Magni: Replaced by two men and a woman.
Varian: Replaced by a man.
But yes, Daelin was replaced by a woman that one time before WoW happened.
All those single time that it happened, so overwhelming that singular time.
You’re really just saying you are absolutely tone deaf to how POC might feel when presented with a white wall of white male leaders.
But I get it. It’s hard to see these issues of racism and sexism atop your white steed, in your white armor, white knighting the white male leaders. I mean, after all, you unironically typed this up as a solid defense:
Only you would think it’s anything but cringe to have the ten thousand year old multiple war veteran priestess act like a fool (also, again, one of the few women in a position of power, and one of the few non-white women in any kind of prominent roles), only to be properly corrected by her white male leader.
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He doesn’t get, he will never get it. Because it tarnishes some really F-up version he has of the alliance in his head. He can not and will not accept any flaws
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Tyrande for the most part spent that 10,000 years in relative peace. The only major wars I can think of was the War of Shifting Sands(lead by Fandral) and war of the Satyr.
What I won’t admit is we are not allowed to learn from each other because of our genders. For the most of part we have seen Varian lectured/tempered by Jaina(and the inverse). We have see Jaina argue with Alleria about the very same question of acting quickly/acting rashly to the point both were nearly about to come to blows. Jaina was also lecturing Anduin about how his path might lead he down a bad direction concerning Alleria/Turaylon. Imagine then, pure sweet Anduin not being perfect and having to listen to Jaina who actually knows more about the subject?
Also, we were told the reason why Tyrande acted the way she did 1) she underestimated the capacity of the orcs. Sometime Varian would no longer do because he did it TWICE and it cost him dearly. 2) Tyrande was out for blood, and she wanted a swift revenge.
We have see Tyrende’s tactics/mindset before, and she may be a good commander but she is very very bad at looking at the big picture to the point she outright dismissed Malfurion when it came to trying to maybe work with the Horde/Alliance against the Legion and later about freeing Illidan(and it was stated she did regret freeing him)
Said woman also ended up replacing the Dark Iron(a male lead faction) entirely. She is leader of two factions/one faction depending on your view.
And if ever Tyrande dies, Shandris, her surrogate child will replace her. If Genn dies, Tess will replace her.
Varian had a male kid since Vanilla. And I don’t see anything wrong with a nation that can still have male heirs, just as I don’t see anything wrong a nation having female heirs.
Daelin was replace by his wife and now his daughter. They could have made Tandred leader, but they didnt.
No, I see what warcraft was and is slowly trying to be. Did it have problematic roots? Of course anyone can see it in hindsight but that was not the world it was built it and not the world it is trying to be now.
Said male king was also acting quite foolish until both a man(Malfurion) and a woman(Jaina) help him along the way. Also, Tyrande has done plenty of reckless things(like releasing Illidan) . She only lucked out that she still loved him. Based on that book, Illidan was ready to just let his entire race die/be part of actually killing it.
That has been part of her character. You talk to me about wanting only “perfect white knights” and yet ignore one of Tyrande’s glaring flaws? Please, spare me.
I am not blind to its flaws. However what I think is those flaws were products of their time. If you decide to watch any old show now you are bound to find plenty of problematic issue with them. At the same depending on said show they were actually pretty progressive in their own right.
Using say, the Nanny, which was as progressive as it could be with regards to Jews/LGBT+ one can realize it could have been better/not relied too heavily on fat jokes. The same could be said of the Alliance. Would I have wished more the original human kingdoms have queens? Sure, but considering we can’t change the past Blizzard has slowly changed it to better reflect its diverse audience.
These aren’t flaws that happened 20 yrs ago and everyone now is like Oof, what were they thinking. The outright racist tropes, sexism and misusing cultural identities and their respective religons and myths is still a ongoing problem.
This is…I just can’t with you anymore. You STILL refuse to admit there’s a problem
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More like they are flaws from 20 years ago that have to influence the story because they were laid as the foundations of said story. That unless you are willing to tear the entire thing those foundations cannot simply be change/changed in the manner you want.
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