Is it just me or apotheosis feels awful?
It procs GCD, and the effect isn’t that impactful. Isn’t this to be one of our biggest cds for dungeons?
HW: Serenity doesn’t feel powerful enough to consider Apotheosis strong.
Would be nice to have this ability off the GCD or at least make it does a splash light healing like Ascendance does for Rshams
I forgot it can be a healing cooldown 
I essentially use it to burst aoe dps, but if I do press it for healing it’s often at the point where I’m on the move and need some strong instant heals. Or right before then to refill my words.
It feels stronger when you get the 4 set and can spam serenities every 20s or so.
It feels absolutely amazing unless you are having to move continuously while it’s active.
I use it as a major cooldown along with a trinket to empower heal & flash heal with resonant words and serenities with pontifex. So, I’m using lightweaver as well as weaving in serenities to make those spells feel impactful. Without the empowerments, the baseline spells are pretty weak. But I can get up over 1million hps bursts in a 5 man group with apotheosis if I weave the spells right.
I have to be able to stand still like 60% of the time. That’s pretty achievable with dps ghost pulling more aggro from the tank recently. For some reason I find myself being ignored for some mechanics occassionally.
I do have 4set, but idk it feels like the effect alone is not enough to handle basic heavy aoe dmg.
Like not even talking about massive intense aoe dmg.
Serenity feels weak on it’s own and just having cdr on it doesn’t help too much tbh.
My biggest problem tho is the GCD. Maybe we could use a buff on Serenity but mainly the GCD feels really bad.
I’d suggest running Resonant Words/Pontifex.
Holy words feel great running the lightweaver setup with those IMO.
Do you just not take any PoM talents? I have a massive issue with the bottom of our tree. We have to take so much useless crap to get down there and then it feels like we dont have enough points to function.
Apotheosis is one of our strongest healing cds. It has more synergy with Archon because you can extend the duration up to +6s and your healing is increased by 10% while in it.
Answered Prayers is definitely worth it for M+ as well. It gives you a free proc every 1.5-2 minutes on average.
The best time to use Apotheosis is when you’ve depleted all your Holy Words and/or need some single target heal funneling. If you min-max your Surge of Light procs w/ Archon and Apotheosis you can reset Sanctify/Serenity both simultaneously.
Holy Word Serenity isn’t as strong this season because of the 4-piece bonus putting your power into Flash Heal.
This just…is horrifically bad design. I agree with you but when bosses are just clapping all 5 of us for our entire health bars I need more than a Flash Heal. And we just don’t have it.
Like it BOGGLES me how bad PoH and CoH are right now right when we’re struggling so bad with AoE healing. Fix our tools or give us new ones I feel like.
Holy Word Serenity isn’t weak though.
In the logs I’ve looked at of myself the average cast of Holy Word Serenity is 1.46mil. The average cast of Flash Heal is 858.8k and that’s with the 4-piece and all the talents included.
You’re just getting more long term value out of Flash Heal because you cast that 3x more than Holy Word Serenity in a dungeon.
In DF S3-S4 those values were flipped around. Holy Word Serenity did more then Flash Heal. It’s not a good nor bad change. I personally rather have a stronger Flash Heal because you get so many Surge of Light procs as Archon.
If I look at the logs I’m casting Flash Heal 312 times in some of these dungeons, but 158 of those casts are SoLs. On a 2 minute boss fight I’m getting on average 18 SoL procs as well. A lot of these free procs come from Halo because if I use that 20 times in a dungeon that’s 80 free SoL procs. Holy Word Serenity is still useful because it’s a beefy instant cast heal.
Holy was definitely bad at passive AOE healing during SL and DF, but is much better this expansion due to the addition of Archon Halo and Piety. Boss fights are also shorter at around 2 minutes.
There used to be real 4 minute endurance fests during DF with non-stop pulsing AOE damage.
You must be grouping with much better dps. My boss fights in M+ are 3+ min.