So how are you supposed to get AOTC if all the groups say “AOTC only”. Raider IO has ruined this game…
You are supposed to get it with your guild, like everyone who has AOTC did.
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People have been complaining about this since at least MoP (not sure when they added it to the game). There’s always something that makes it impossible to get aotc. My first AOTC was in MoP after I came back to the game from a long break and it was in a pug. However, usually if it’s something you care about, you will simply join a guild that raids and get it that way.
You have to understand that to many people this boss is on farm and they want to get it over with as fast as possible. Bringing in people who are inexperienced with the fight will single handily wipe the raid, and for a boss fight that lasts 12-14 minutes this isn’t something people want to do repeatedly. I don’t understand how “IO” has ruined the game when the information IO gets is all public on your armory. You are always more then welcome to form your own group and invite people without the kill but don’t complain when you spend hours banging your head against a wall.
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Why you blaming raider IO when AoTC started in MoP and even before then, groups would ask for final boss / wing achievement anyway?
MoP was when they started AoTC and CE achievements. AoTC for old normal (current heroic) and CE for old heroic (current mythic).
But prior to that, these type of pug groups would just ask for final wing / final boss achievement for raids (and idk what they would do for vanilla and TBC raids).
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Aotc only has been around for a long time before raider io. There is an achievement… It’s late into the content people don’t want to teach randoms the fights. If you wish to get aotc, do what everyone else does, join a guild.
It is 2+ months into the expansion, even with pugs you should have been able to get AOTC. If you are not getting invited due to your lack of experience, that isn’t the game’s fault. The raid leader wanting experienced players to have a solid run and not a slow progression run is their choice. You could always form your own group and only invite based on ilvl - see how that goes lol.
Your second point is completely detached from your original point. Raider IO has nothing to do with AOTC. AOTC is an in-game achievement, while Raider IO is an external add-on/website that reads Blizzard’s API.
IO ruined the game for people who wanted loot without working for it. Now I can grab people who’ve matched my effort.
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Inspections at SW to verify that you had gear from the raid.
Only accepting people with certain guild tags who you know have progressed past the raid.
Kicking anyone who failed mechanics or had low dps after the first wipe.
Etc, etc.
I remember running a couple pugs in TBC. It took forever to create a group even with half of it being fellow guildies already. And it was always a cluster fisk. Even when people were running around in BT level badge gear, pugging even Karazhan was a dice roll.
And that was with attunements. So totally unprepared people couldn’t even zone in.
Join a guild, make your own non-aotc pug and prog it, buy it, join a mythic raid group and ask if you can come with them to a heroic alt run, etc
with your guild during progression.
Kek. I screen people for buyers. Have cut out multiple 10/10M people that bought their clears.
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Let’s be real when you got your AOTC im sure you wouldn’t invite random person with no ach either.
People like you have actually ruined this game.
Requiring AotC has nothing to do with raider io, you just see a lot of casuals crying about raider io so you figured if you put it in your whinepost that likeminded people would be more willing to side with you.
Now that we’ve exposed that BS, there are plenty of groups weekly that are doing heroic where you can get gear and experience (guild runs, learning groups, etc) and some raids will take you even if you’re only 2 bosses away from AotC if you can explain that you have experience on pulling the last boss but haven’t downed her.
In short, don’t expect a handout. Learn to communicate with people and learn how to move on when those people don’t want you.
No one owes you anything.
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/e quietly crosses off “Zoomer” and “Millennial” off the list …
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We’re on sylvannas prog coming this Friday and Saturday night. Look for chill group, discord and join the queue!! 9pm to 11pm EST.
I’m actually a Millennial. Regardless, no one is owed anything.
I don’t understand where the unearned sense of entitlement comes from, but my best guess is that it actually started with Gen X.
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Boomers. They got everything handed to them and when they got power, they took it all away. Either way, I agree with you.
I was discussing the raiding treadmill the other day and there are a lot of player who want to raid log while other members of the team work toward the full spectrum grind. Those members run m+ to get gud and the raid loggers show up on Monday for their carry. So people who actually enjoy running dungeons and pushing spend hours a week not making progress.
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Even if you’re in a relatively low-activity progression guild, you’ve got 9+ hours allocated every week to just raid. Tack on other required activities/admin for your character, and you’re looking at 11+ even without getting into committing to the more unreasonable things like grinding Korthia or w/e. For many raid setups, that’s actually ~15 hours since they do 4 nights/week. That’s a large amount of time for anyone, let alone someone with a family or other commitments to juggle.
“Raid logging” is a little bit more involved than “show up on Monday”. Never mind that you don’t need to do M+ to be good at your class/the game.
Most AOTC only groups I’ve seen are run by people who’ve only done 9/10.