AOO is up with 400 loot

Well, since its not locked in like PvP servers were perhaps coasters on the horde side need some discouragement as we go along.

Or you could turn war mode off.

Instead you somehow think it’s ok for Blizzard to award you because your faction was to afraid/unwilling/lazy/apathetic, WHATEVER excuse you want to use, to actually fight for the same bonus Horde fought for.

Again, this isn’t your fault, it’s Blizzards. Blizzard should have shrugged and said, you have even numbers, if you don’t want it enough to fight for it, then i guess Horde gets it.

It made for a bad experience, that’s the point I think your missing, my question to you is why don’t you play Alliance? Are you…

Unwilling.

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Ahhh time to hang out at the azerite WQ.

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  • Performs literally no statistical analysis
  • Uses no reliable evidence to support their own claim
  • Extrapolates a conclusion from deductive reasoning using an observation, but not evidence and claims that deductive reasoning is the same as conclusion reached from an empirical basis
  • “haha dumb heads don’t know how to do statistics!!!”
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The statistics are performed by Blizzards system. It calculates participation. We don’t see the numbers, but we do see the result, which is supposedly based on those numbers.

The evidence is available in game right now. The quest is available.

Logic and deductive reasonings are good things. The evidence is listed above.

How are you allowed to link videos? You’re nothing but a troll.

First of all - you can see data without understanding what it means. That’s what science does all the time.

Secondly - And it doesn’t matter why Horde have it on. Alliance get the same bonus + more so all things being equal the Horde just have a higher tendency to turn WM on - which definitely turns down that they’re more cowardly. If rewards and punishments are the same for two groups and one group more willingly partakes in the risks than you cannot say with any sort of exceptional leeway that the risk takers are more cowardly.

Nope, not good enough. You need to do an individual survey of every single Alliance, while administering drugs and EKG equipment as necessary to ensure every single one is telling the truth. Otherwise it’s all just random happenstance that they simply forgot to push the turn warmode on button.

SARCASM

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Yup. But a good scientist would never say “there are fewer prairie dogs here because there are more rattlesnakes” and try to pass it off as fact, especially when habitat degredation and other factors are a thing. Theyll say “there are fewer prairie dogs than before which may be due to a number of reasons that need more study”.

I suggest maybe thinking outside the box when it comes to human behavior. You submit that alliance are cowards, then try to brush off the idea that horde may have cowards as well on the basis that Alliance get more goodies… but horde dont turn it on for their own goodies and turn it off when theres too much heat? Despite what the devs have said about it?

If horde had zero perks at all then it would be difficult to argue against that yes, but they do and until those perks arent a factor you really cant say who is swayed by what or their motivation. Sorry.

This is even funnier, because your definition of statistics is pretty hilarious. I’m talking about statistics in the actual mathematical sense. You know the subject that you’ve probably taken in high school? The one that teaches you about how to gather and interpret data in proper way so you make an effort to not look dumb when trying to support a claim?

Let’s say that I had a house before, but presently the house is burnt.

We know that something must have burnt it down. You say an arsonist did it, but I’m skeptical and ask for the evidence. Then you say, but the result is THERE that the burnt out house exists, therefore an arsonist did it.

This is literally the opposite of using data in a reasonable way.

Sure they are, but deductive reasoning often relies on incomplete information, this is why you need evidence to support your claim.

I know it’s 2k19 and everyone demands a safe space nowdays from everyone being “toxic” and being a “troll” but that’s just how it be.

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It’s funny that you make this claim that you’re complaining about actually having to show evidence to prove your claim, but the other claim you make previously was

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Why did i even bother. Male human paladin from MoonGuard. Should have known better.

My god, this thread is still going?

Given that Limit faction changed from Horde to Alliance just to grab the 400 reward that first week of AOO before the nerf, it’s pretty safe to say that the “Double Agents” among us, play whatever toon has the better perk. I’m sure there are plenty of primary Horde players that are leveling or in the very least, completing AOO alongside Alliance players as an easy way to gear up an Alliance alt. There are allied races to be unlocked, heritage armor to be earned, and plenty of Horde players who have maxed out their mains and maybe alts, so they jump on an Alliance character…

You know it’s true…

Shall I source you to OP and the fact AOO is back up again for Alliance?

Fact that you have your free gear again tells me it’s either not balanced or Alliance are weak and only turn on WM when there is free gear to gain.

The fact there are any rewards in WM tells me it wasn’t a success. I mean when PVP servers were still a thing the only reward you got was honor from honor kills. AOO, airplane drops, and X% extra gold/exp/etc all prove they have to bait people into using it.

Well, PvP servers weren’t something you could opt in and out of either. Sure maybe leveling wasn’t that bad with ganking, but get to max level where most people are and you find out why people hate WPvP? Well… then you’re stuck transferring or rerolling… Then you get to the people who didn’t want to leave for whatever reason despite hating WPvP.

The up side is that there are probably A LOT more players doing WPvP than there were on PvP servers.

I literally said, earlier (and which you responded to):

This would imply that there are Horde who also act in the same fashion. The point is that numbers were equal, they were no longer equal due to a bug, bug was fixed and one faction was given much larger incentives. Yet it’s the faction that gets smaller returns, currently (and for the past few months), that continues to have WM on during the week in greater numbers.

Now, you may not be able to just comprehend on a single fact, but when a number of Alliance have posted on the forums with statements such as “If I can’t get great loot from WPvP then I’m not turning it on” would indicate that a number of Alliance only turn on WM to get some level of rewards.

Now, Horde get them too, but, in the end, Alliance get a better reward. Both sides have the same risks involved, but one side gets better rewards. And yet, the side with better rewards continues to not engage in open conflict.

You don’t need zero rewards to argue the levels of someone’s bravery (or ability to take risks as bravery in a game is sort of silly to say). Understand what I said earlier - when both groups have the same rewards for the same risks and yet one group is more willing to engage in the activity, then that does say the other group is more risk adverse (or as I put it earlier - seems more cowardly on the whole). Now give one group and even bigger reward and yet the still don’t match the numbers… that just amplifies the ability to take risks for each side even more. If you can’t comprehend then, then that seems pretty obtuse of you.

Btw, I only started calling them cowardly, because Mr. Paladin called the Horde side cowardly which made me scratch my head on how someone doesn’t look in the mirror.

What you’ve quoted before and the response you’ve given to it literally makes no sense. You need to look at the context surrounding the quote.

I was responding to someone who doesn’t think that a Q&A from a game director isn’t a good source because they don’t like Ion personally. What you’ve provided isn’t even remotely evidence or even makes sense in context. It’s a non-sequitur response.