I’m unable to play the dungeon on the PTR but care little for spoilers. I would actually rather save myself the disappointment if I’m correct. For the longest time I’ve wanted to see the moment Nozdormu turns into Murozond, however, I feel like the direction WoW has been taking has been more focused on a hopeful and uplifting narrative. I assume we’ll find some way to save Nozdormu and prevent Murozond from ever happening.
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tbh, that would be boring.
They have now a GOLDEN opportunity to literally rebuild the lore through time travel and it opens so many possibilities for fun and creative things, but this fight with the INfinite dragon flight needs to carry over into the void.
And I want Murozond to be our GAME-ENDING fight, like. Bring on WoW 2, man. Because either Murozond or Whatever’s in the Void is the end boss and you may as well rebuild from scratch after a conflict like that.
Murozond needs to be bigger than just some end boss in a dungeon.
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We prevent Proto Nozdormu from becoming Murozond but in his last breath Chrono Lord Deios makes it clear that Murozond is still possible.
Furthermore Eternus is still around to work to bring about the creation of Murozond and with Chromie mentioning how she believes in another world she and Morchie could be friends I wouldn’t be surprised if Eternus is Morchie but one from the true Infinite Universe rather than the one that Chrono Lord Deios created.
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U can bet nozzy will turn.
Now whether we purify n save him is unknown.
But he’s been teased as the final boss since pre patch
Also we need someone to bring yrel and her lightbound to us from AU draenor
Thanks for the update.
So it sounds like the Infinites were trying to convert another Nozdormu into Murozond and not the Nozdormu from our timeline? That sounds a bit confusing, as I felt we were reaching the pinnacle point Nozdormu from our time becomes Murozond? However, I do hope we actually get this addressed in DF and it’s not them leaving it on the backburner for a couple more years.
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The Old Gods believe in Infinite Possibilities and just wants a Murozond period not caring where they get it.
Their Plan with Iridikron(to grab an Artifact to drain Yogg-Saron’s Shadow Void Magics and Necromantic Death Magics from Galakrond) has 3 possible ways to get Murozond:
- Get Murozond in the True Timeline early because we stopped Iridikron
- Get Murozond in the True Timeline later because the Primal Incarnates’ plan to corrupt the Aspects using the wellspring succeeded
- Grab Murozond from an AU(of which there are Infinite) since the True Timeline’s Nozdormu cannot be turned into Murozond
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Wait so our Nozdormu cannot be turned into Murozond?
I thought the whole reason Nozdormu was freaking out when we do his initial quests in DF was because he could tell the moment he turns to Murozond was drawing close?
It’s up in the air but if we avoid Iridikron’s final gambit with the Aspects then Nozdormu is home clear and the Old Gods are left with an AU Version who didn’t get lucky.
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Very interesting! I do like the sound of that…
Thanks for taking the time to reply, as I know you didn’t have to. I’d rather go into the dungeon somewhat knowing what to expect as I don’t want to mimick the feeling I had when I did Sanctum of Domination for the first time. My amount of disappointment at that final cinematic was truly gut wrenching.
Why do I keep seeing this mentioned?
Is there something I’m missing? What does Yrel have to do with Nozdormu??
Also, how has he been teased as the final boss?
I am worried he IS the final boss, but I haven’t seen it teased. I really hope we save him, I don;'t want yet another aspect turning and dying -_-
Yrel is on AU Draenor.
Unless they somehow unlocked time travel vial light shenanigans the only way they can invade our Azeroth is via the infinite flight messing things up like how they are in 10.1.5.
The fact that they’re trying to corrupt him since ore patch.
There’s a theory that he and muro will somehow be separated so maybe that’s how we save him.
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I think the Devs have just given up on this altogether. It’s a bit of a powder keg.
We all know a certain Dev had a penchant for taking out their problems on female lore characters, and Yrel’s description in the Maghar storyline fits that problematic writing. Now, they certainly have room to reintroduce her and the AU Draenei into the MU without being the crusaders the Maghar made them out to be, but by now so many Horde players are sick to death of being the badguy that there wouldn’t be a way for Yrel and her Draenei to be anything less than Hitler to them, without it being, “just more Alliance whitewashing.”
So, what does Blizzard do here? Let a certain departed Dev’s hangups continue to tarnish the lore and evoke cries of misogyny and Sylvanas comparisons? Or correct that and have players up in arms about Blizzard’s apparent love of Crusades/genocide when it’s done by the Christian/Anglo-Saxon themed faction?
There is no winning in bringing Yrel back, sadly. Maybe they will in the future, but much like faction conflict expansions, no one is going to be happy aside from a handful of players who exist to bask in the flames of faction conflict (and even they might be angry if she shows up and she and Geya’rah hug it out or something).
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Yrel is 100% coming back…
That’s an enormous loose end that needs to be addressed. Even the maghar npc keep talking about their inevitable invasion when you read what they have to say when you right click them.
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I don’t. They spent all that time and energy on the cosmic chart for a reason, and I believe that reason is to provide fodder for at least six expansions’ worth of cosmic enemies to fight. We already had the “death” expansion, so I expect the “light” expansion is coming soon. Possibly next after DF.
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Then Shadowlands showed them the players vehemently hated their cosmology. Shadowlands was a monumental failure, particularly where story was concerned. No one was happy with their First Ones nonsense, Robot eternals, Zereth Mordus, Zereth Ordus, Zereth Litigatus…
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You’re not wrong. I just have my doubts that the reception of SL will make them scrap the whole grand plan.
The issue was that SL felt disconnected, not that the cosmology is bad.
Azeroth, the sword in silithus, elune, Emerald dream, etc.
Those are all cosmic things that players are interested in for example.
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These Devs certainly are stubborn, I’ll give you that. Just have to look at Flight since WoD to see that.
I think, “were interested in,” might be the better choice of words here.
Once upon a time, players would have loved the opportunity to go to the Emerald Dream, learn more about Elune, etc… except now, if the end result of that is we learn she’s just another Robot created by these, ‘First Ones,’ then players would rather not go to the Emerald Dream and learn that.
Players fell in love with the cosmology as it once was. Titans spontaneously forming from planets, enigmatic Goddesses reshaping races in their image, a plane of demons brought to here by a corrupted Titan. It was interesting, because it seemed like a lot of spontaneous events interacting.
Instead, Shadowlands and the, “New,” cosmology make it all pre-determined by these, ‘First Ones,’ who everyone agrees just feel like the, ‘New,’ Titans. Even their architecture and stuff looks like Titan stuff.
The general sentiment I’ve seen from players is that they never want to deal with the cosmic forces again, and would rather just stay put on Azeroth and explore it and see it change with time.
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I may be alone here, but I’d actually be interested in seeing more new worlds like Draenor and Argus. I’d just like to do that independent of the stupid cosmic chart, which I’ve disliked ever since it was first introduced.
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Yet despite that they haven’t completely retconned Shadowlands and scrapped its lore entirely like Me’dan. This to me shows they’re not willing to abandon it despite the reception tbh. We even visit the Shadowlands again in DF through the green flight quests. I assume we’ll definitely get more cosmic level threats in the future, but distant future. They did say that Shadowlands was the end of “Book 1” per say.
That means we didn’t reach cosmic level until the end of what they consider their personal Warcraft saga. So that means if we’re at the beginning of “Book 2” with the start of DF. We’ve got at least a decade of further buildup until we reach a larger cosmic level threat themed expansion again imo.