This is a personal preference and I want to know if anyone else can relate to this. I feel like flying mounts destroy world PvP and harm the “authentic and breathing” world that WoW offers. World PvP will deteriorate into flying in on a player and ganking, with little to no counter-play. Not saying ganking doesn’t happen now, but the ease of escape that flying offers seems to be counter-intuitive to the people who love those world encounters, those larger scale battles.
It also makes the world feel a hell of a lot smaller which devolves the world building and immersion. I understand that there are certain points of the map that are unreachable without flying, but since there are #somechanges, why not just add paths/bridges to those unreachable places. Or Blizzard can get creative and add a new and fun way to reach certain places. This would add potential to make new and fun ways to explore The Outlands.
Flying would also deteriorate the “danger at every turn” feeling, you can just skip over a pack of mobs. I understand there are certain places in the outlands where flying isn’t allowed, but I think the implementation of flying as a whole destroys the quality of the game. I love having to mount and run across the world to meet up with my group. I love having to think and strategize about each world encounter before I dive in.
These are just my thoughts and opinions and I want to see if anyone else agrees with them. I never played on BC private servers, I played BC back in the day but I was like 8 years old so I really didn’t know what was going on, so maybe I don’t know what i’m talking about. So if anyone has any counter arguments or supports the idea of eliminating flying from future expansions, please contribute.
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It will be an issue yea especially on pvp servers.
I agree with you about this in general.
Flying was widely known on my original server as killing World PVP. People always say otherwise (that other stuff killed World PVP) and I thought I was imagining it but there was a post made by a stranger from my Vanilla server a few months back on this forum saying this exact thing (which was really random). So no matter what anyone says about this or that actually killed World PVP, on my server flying did kill World PVP and that’s just the way it is.
Flying is so built-in with TBC though that it has to be a part of it. Flying endgame and the immersive experience is still debated today in WoW and (as of now, but they are adding it) you cannot fly in Shadowlands.
I’m not dreading them, people who want to WPVP WPVP. If it’s one thing that classic taught us, it’s the people who don’t like flying mounts are the same people that liked ganking anything that moved at anytime. It def wasn’t a love of PVP.
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Flying has a huge impact on world PvP, but its such a nostalgic core thing to TBC I heavily doubt blizz will even consider removing it.
Yes, Flying basically does kill WPVP once most people can fly.
This is what happened in original BC and will happen in BC Classic. Nothing can be done about it…
If you want to PVP basically the start of BC will be where most of the WPVP happens. After that, it’s over.
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I am pretty sure over the last 10 or so years we have figured out that flying mounts are not the reason “wpvp is dead”.
World pvp will still happen. no its not dead or dying because of flying mounts. the zones were made for flying mounts. there will still be wpvp. just face it and realize most people dont care for wpvp because its worthless and the only real stuff to earn from it is time wasted.
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Flying mounts remove a lot of the interaction between ally/horde around the world.
Yes, there’s other things that cause people to avoid the other faction, but if you go around classic right now, go to any farming hot spot on a PVP server or go to to places that always have people and you can find WPVP.
The first week of BC will be full of tons of WPVP, especially right at the start.
It’ll be like Phase 2 all over again.
But once a majority of people have flying mounts, it becomes hard to really cross people in WPVP situations. Not impossible and there will be some, but it will be few and far between.
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As someone who played the original tbc I can tell you that this is not the case at all … flying enhanced world pvp esp if they keep it the way it was originally where your body does not fall to the ground when u die… I can’t tell you how hard we used to try to kill some midair in order to force a spirit res and therefore “win”
I don’t think flying necessarily killed WPvP per se. Lots of people had slow flying mounts in BC and couldn’t easily escape because of that. Also people genuinely enjoyed wasting their time in game so they didn’t just run away the first sign of conflict.
Everyone is different, but personally I dreaded WPvP conflicts in Classic most of the time because it was a time-waster and I was usually trying to do something specific.
So if anything is killing WPvP off flying may not help, but it’s player’s mentality on what they want to do with their free time.
IIRC, most of the world pvp in TBC was in Azeroth or around daily quest spots like Quel’Danas. Given the classic mindset, I don’t think there will be many max levels running around Azeorth during TBC classic, so in a way I don’t think we’ll have much WPVP in classic TBC.
But like you also said, WPvP in classic sucks. Its rare anyone roams around solo looking for a fight, as everyone is in a group to either gank solo players or dispel/purge buffs. So while IMO flying will kill off most of the classic TBC WPvP, or make it stupid like everyone swooping in and out on their epics, did we even have really good WPvP in the first place?
I’m not dreading them at all. People exaggerate when they say flying mounts killed WPvP, no one thing killed it. WPvP still happens, just a combination of DHKs, BGs, arena and flying made it less common.
Even in Classic, before and after Phase 2, WPvP was rare aside from ganking. My priest was my last character I leveled on a PvP server and it was only attacked by a player within yellow levels twice, one of which was while I was fighting mobs. Every other time it was players orange, red or ?? to me and not once was I attacked by a player green or grey.
WPvP is already a degenerative gank fest and when players are on equal ground, it is widely ignored. Flying doesn’t do much to change that other than make the gankers faster.
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Nope, not at all. Flying was part of outlands. If you have a problem with it you either have made up scenarios where it isn’t beneficial, or are on a PvP server, and thats your own fault, not the fault of flying mounts.
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I had a few good/fun tussles, but it was mostly early early days. The longer Classic dragged on the worse it got.
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People confuse flying mounts killing ganking with killing WPVP all the time. There will be plenty of people fighting at the WPVP towers and such, still lots of fighting over resource nodes, farming spots ect… Overall though most people ignore each other when they’re questing.
I can’t wait for griefers to be unable to shut down servers for the smaller faction.
Classic proved that very, very few people actually care about world PVP. Sorry you’re in the minority OP.
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It also reiterated what actually killed world PvP - BGs.
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WPVP is dead on Herod and has been since BGs came out—flying won’t kill what’s already dead.
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