Exactly this. The wins I did get in AV were against horde groups who went full defense. They ignored offensive objectives in their greed to keep everything and a smart and mostly coordinated alliance group can take advantage of that. Problem is if horde have a semi-competent group, even a much better coordinated alliance group will probably not win.
Save yourself the headache. Don’t play AV. WSG and AB are much more fun and alliance win as much as horde in them.
I want blizz to flip the map so i can win every game from the north pushing south. Alliance lose because all of their skilled players avoid this battleground, have poor tactics, focus on rep instead of winning. Nothing more. Nothing less. Alliance premades had a 90% winrate with a “disadvantaged map”. What changed?
I want Blizzard to flip the map so players like you have to eat their words.
So. If they flip the map and allies still lose whatcha eating? Your shoes? Ya’all think defending is turtling now. Let us dig into that North and show you how the Horde makes defense. The Mighty Horde Defense>Allies avoiding pvp. Doesn’t matter which end of the map.
You do realize alliance can do the same thing horde do on the horde side of the map (eat some scorched earth, horde) and all of you horde armchair quarterbacks will find out how ineffective their strategies from the other side are.
Horde would be in for a rude awakening.
I’ve been telling alliance this since P2. Make the pvp. Don’t run from it.
Uh huh and you might find out how the North is defended when you engage the pvp and work as a team.
Try the Hail Mary back door your lot keeps complaining about. Watch as a couple Horde mages close it. 
Speaking of rude awakings. If they did flip the map and the win ratio stayed the same. What would you blame then?
Yes you are so smart that you are now sitting in a 2h av que
I finished ranking before Blizzard decided NA needed two different battle groups, so queue times no longer effect me.
Have fun losing every AV though.
Stay in denial. 
No it’s not the map. if even five of the forty alliance players are ‘quitters’ and tend to ‘afk’ that wiill affect your win rate. Even at SFGY where you have a huge advantage…yet eventually lose it after 30 min. the first 30 min…what was the difference? your players didnt give up yet. I’ve seen alliance push horde all the way to ibt choke…then give up.
bottom line your faction gives up.
there are map imbalances at some spots…for both sides. that map is not a ‘mirror’. there are imbalances for both factions…at certain places.
you blame the map. but your teammates are letting you down.
this is not that horde or alliance is better. but that is why you lose in AV.
Play horde
I got in, got the rep and got out.
I don’t need to tie my PVP enjoyment to games that place me at a disadvantage.
No. It doesn’t.
Uh huh. I’ll book mark this. If it ever happens we shall see who is delusional. Doesn’t matter where the cave is when your team doesn’t try. Doesn’t matter what choke point is where when your team doesn’t try. Doesn’t matter where you start when your team doesn’t try.
When your team doesn’t try you finish where you belong. Last.
Well when things like certain choke points or gy locations actively encourage one team not to try yes those things very much matter.
So Alliance in 2004 were made of sterner stuff? They didn’t let those same choke points give them a 90% loss rate…
Nope, horde weren’t abusing the map then.
This is exactly what happened when reinforcements were added. We’ll see how long it takes horde to figure it out this time.
Some horde will never get it. Swapping sides would be a good lesson for them but we all know that will never happen. It’s just a waste of time trying to explain it when so many of us stopped queuing and stopped caring.
I hated AV back in vanilla because the horde would play the race meta which gave the alliance an edge. It was no secret back then that the horde could turtle for a better chance at winning, heck even the more seasoned alliance knew this but the horde very zeldom used that strat. It’s a bit ironic that the alliance now have the same map balance complaint the horde used to have. It is worth mentioning, even though the alliance won the majority of games with the race meta, the percentage wasn’t this lopsided. From what I remember, on average it would take me 3 to 5 games before I would score a win.
If alliance were winning 1 out 3 or even 1 out of 5 games horde queues times wouldn’t be through the roof.