Hey. My guild is looking for a tank offspec so I’m thinking about making a Prot Warrior or a Blood DK. Are Prot Warriors good for beginner tanks? Any advice you have for tanking or Prot Warrior is much appreciated
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If you are a beginner i would recommend checking icyveins/wowhead and the skyhold discord warrior community to get a good basic of information to make you comfortable with the class and the community can answer any questions in there.
But i could say that prot is begining friendly, put shield block up for physical damage migation, Ignore pain for more migation, espicially for magic damage. Make sure to have migation as often as possible. Use your defensives/offensives cds when needed and all that and dont overcap on rage. Just knowning what to press in X situation will be the big learning curve and you will only learn it with praticing/playing.
Hope it help bud
DH>Druid=Paladin>Monk=DK>Warrior from easiest to hardest to play successfully in progression content. This does not include cheese-strats which are outliers. If you want to cheese the game, don’t “main” anything.
Unless your guild needs a warrior spot filled for Battle Shout, don’t bother working on a Prot Warrior right now. Its the hardest to play successfully in progression content. No matter what people try to argue that Warriors have in utility–they have the least amount of all classes and its entirely self-centric (including Intervene). Its always been this way. Until you get all the right gear to bypass punishing resource management you’re going to suck and need carried. There’s no reason to bring more than one Warrior to raids unless there’s a specific cheese strat, and there’s even less reason to bring a Warrior to M+.
If you do decide to play: Pick Devastator and aim for haste/vers gear (if it doesn’t have at least one secondary that is haste or vers, its not worth equipping). For everything else including legendary and covenant, just look at a guide. You have to make sacrifices to play Prot Warrior, the kind that can make it hard to play non-Prot without a full gear and Covenant swap.
Blood DK has terrible damage and mobility, but makes up for it in self-healing and utility (which includes Brez). It also has punishing resource management but gear demands aren’t as high as warrior thanks to free haste from Bone Shield. Necrolord with Superstrain is the safest choice, with everything else requiring more dedicated setups. Suffers the same problem as Warriors where PvP is required to access BiS.
And yet they were among the 4 tanks (DH, BM, Guardian, and Prot Warrior) seen in The Great Push, largely for their simultaneous mitigation+healing and damage.
Admittedly, perhaps a BDK would have better dealt with the raid magic damage spam from the Portal Guardian that wiped the Prot Warrior group (Ambition) off the board in ToP 27, but honestly it didn’t even look close. The fight was way too long and way too damaging for AMZ alone to have made a difference.
Also, unless you’re going to be doing particularly single-target heavy runs and keys high enough to otherwise one-shot you, Crit is quite decent. It provides by far the greatest damage increase, especially through its added Revenge! procs, and has the highest average melee mitigation (to the point of having the highest total mitigation in certain dungeons). Like Mastery, it is RNG-based and thus should not be considered a per-strike eHP increase whatsoever, but over a Fortified run at less than cutting-edge keys, it does just fine.
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A lot to comment on here, but frankly this is wrong.
Prot warrior was brought to many world first fights during progression, and that was before reprisal and their flat damage taken/damage done buffs.
Are warriors hard to play? No. Are they hard to play correctly and is the skill ceiling high, yes.
All tanks are easy, use your cd’s and mitigation, but some require a better understanding of the fight and the class to perform well - warrior being one of those classes. They also rely on gear much more then other classes like Guardian and DK.
Warrior offers Battle shout, rally, and the best physical mitigation in the game for tanks + spell reflection which often allows them to ignore mechanics all together. A current geared prot warrior is going to maintain significant uptime of mitigation in raid environments which is going to mitigate significant amounts of damage.
Obviously, there will be fights where warriors struggle, like fights with heavy magic damage and bleeds like innerva, and fights where they shine, heavy physical fights like sludgefist. But to say they have the worst utility in the game is simply wrong.
Paladin brings the most utility, with BoP, lay, freedom, and absurd damage
DH’s bring the raid buff and darkness
Warrior brings Shout and Rally
DK’s brings AMZ (which currently is broken AF but going to be nerfed next patch)
Guardian brings Roar
Monk brings raid buff
My $0.02 is to factor in a few things:
Playstyle: look up guides on the tanks (there’s only 6 of em) and find the playstyle you enjoy.
Needs: What does your raid need?
Offspecs: Do you enjoy/would you enjoy the offspec if you had to suddenly swap to it?
All tanks are viable unless you’re literally in the world first race. Play what you enjoy and what brings the most value to your raid. There’s a learning curve with every class and as long as you apply yourself and watch a guide or two, you’ll be fine.
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Having play a few tank class I would say from easiest to hardest to play protection pally, guardian druid, VDH, protection warrior, Brewster, blood DK.
Port pally have a simple simple rotation, build holy power spend it on shield, every 5th shield you get a free WoG heal. 3 CD , wings for damage and holy power generation, the other 2 are defensive CD you also have a few bubble to use depending in the situation. Is super easy to play. Still decent tank for low to mid content.
Guardian droid is also easy play. A few ability to be generated rage and use it to on infur for that armor buff. With the right Lego and CD usage you could not be kill. Damage is a bit on the lower side outside of your CD and your CD does have a long CD. You can can make some risky yet rewarding play IE take moonkin affinity use heart of the wild and conwoke for some.nice damage. You have too utilities for the group. But you are stuck staring at a bear butt all day.
VDh very fun to play very mobile with good damage but relies on running kiting once your CD runs out.
If you are just starting to tank I would pick these 3 spec to start and go with the others later. Is just easier.
I would swap pally with guardian, guardian you don’t really have to think at all about what you’re doing because you’re just so tanky.
True i pally first coz it does more damage and is easier to interrupt with since you have one interrupt, your avenger shield can also interuptt up to 3 target if talented, have a chance to reset, if you are kyrain Divine toll can also interupt up to 5 enemy and you have a Lego with a 45% chance to reset avenger shield wine use. It makes it easier to interrupt if you see up. Also there is a talent that’s can stun the group ad well.
Get the Reprisal legendary asap, focus on haste / vers gear as stated above, and just practice making shield block somewhat second nature. Warrior is easier than bdk in the sense that a) you only have 1 resource to track vs 2 and b) your health bar will be far more predictable, but it’s just as dead in the water as a bdk if you run out of your resource.
Prot also has a harder time with snap threat than bdk, so it’s something to keep in mind. Having said all that, it’s super fun to play.
Warrior’s progression raid tanking difficulty varies on the fight and legendary choice. Prior to Reprisal’s introduction, you would use The Wall.
However, now that Reprisal is here, if you can min/max your Shield Block uptime, this can result in an ungodly amount of mitigation. Anywhere you can utilize its effect, provided you’re not risking getting people killed, do it. Using Reprisal is more of fight knowledge, since you should be comfortable with the class by then.
As for playing the class: Leveling up introduces abilities in a pretty good fashion, though Prot Warrior sucks until around the 20s when it gets most of them. After that, it takes off pretty quickly.
Since the introduction of reprisal (specifically the buff to it) prot warrior talents, rotation and overall gameplay has changed.
Charge and intervene are now considered active mitigation as well as having a very high priority in rotation. The issue here is making sure you use them to maximize not only your own performance but that of your groups
It takes time to master but it adds an extra layer of complexity to prot that totally pays off.
I have played BDK for a long time. It can do incredible things once you learn how your life will spike up and down, but you can also get one shot if you run in with nothing up. I agree that Guardian is probably the easiest tank to play at the moment with the least time put into tanking. Then pally, then VDH/warrior, then monk then dk. I dont play monk or VDH much so I can’t go by anything other than the fact that VDH is the meta tank atm, but I do know that they have to kite a lot, but have all the abilities to do so.
TLDR: If you’re a brand new tank play guardian.
There’s no talent like this for prot paladin
First Avenger
Talent
Requires Paladin (Protection)
Requires level 25
Avenger’s Shield hits 2 additional targets, and grants you an absorb shield for 100% of all damage it deals
So 3 target it hits in total and since avenger shield also slience/interupt
You’re wrong. Read the tool tip for avengers shield. It interrupts its first target hit
What about divine toll or with the Lego that have a chance to reset CD of avenger shield?
Ok yes divine toll is not a talent though. And then the reset is a legendary, again, not a talent.
The reset of Avengers Shield is a passive, Grand Crusader. Not a legendary. You should know this…
Prot PvP? I can help with that if you wanna DM me in game.
Dude what in the actual F…literally read what the other guy wrote [quote=“Spongemike-sargeras, post:16, topic:983618”]
with the Lego that have a chance to reset CD of avenger shield?
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He mentioned the legendary lmao