Lol, casually throw that in there, man you are just so above it aren’t you.
In this case, the broken clock is right twice a day.
They will not add dual spec before WOTLK pre-patch. Their behavior around dual spec makes it emphatically clear.
Chronoboon was actually something that could have been predicted based on input they gave on world buffs prior to Chronoboon’s addition.
It’s a victory nonetheless, because my game remains un-poisoned by dual spec.
I’m not treating it like a competition. To me it is viscerally imperative that dual spec not be added, as has been made crystal clear for the past year or so, because it makes my experience (and others like me) worse.
Being childish would mean I didn’t really care much about the outcome and only reaped entertainment from those feeling bummed about it’s lack of inclusion, but that’s not the case. I have a strong personal investment in dual spec not being added. I do not want dual spec in TBC. Period. It not being in TBC despite whiners asking for it, is a victory, because as has been pointed out many times, Blizzard has caved in other areas. So call it what you like, but I didn’t call it a competition. It’s more like one area where Blizzard has managed to keep my faith.
I realize that even when TBCC comes and goes without dual spec, you will still have endless argumentation to provide despite the fact the opportunity has already long passed.
This makes arguing with you now about the chances of dual spec feel…well, rather redundant.
We’ve come full circle now where even dual spec supporters have realized it’s a lost cause, but instead of cutting their losses, they are now pretending they never cared about actually having dual spec at all… they just wanted to discuss it for thousands and thousands of posts because the conversations were just so riveting.
Truly, one of the greatest rhetorical moves I’ve ever seen on these forums.
You all want to pretend to have some secret knowledge of the devs intention when I think you’re all clueless. We just want to discuss some problems with the game and suggest a possible solution. You can’t come up with a single reason it shouldn’t be added so you avoid that discussion by claiming it won’t be added. I don’t know they will add it in the pre-patch. We didn’t get guild banks in the BC pre-patch and many with their miraculous powers of prognostication told us we would. One reason I’m pushing so hard for dual spec is to convince blizzard that it’s important to many people so they have a greater incentive to add it in the pre-patch.
It’s not a problem. It’s simply that you’re unable to differentiate Classic from Retail. Retail is a game where choices have zero consequences. Where you can excel at everything and change your playstyle at the drop of a hat. TBC didn’t work that way. That’s not a problem; that’s the nature of the game.
There’s been a thousand reasons. You simply ignore them all. But the truth is it’s not up to anyone to justify why it shouldn’t be added. That’s a completely backwards way of looking at it. You’re the one wanting to toss authenticity (the reason why a Classic version exists to begin with), therefore it’s up to you to make the argument. And all I’ve seen is “I don’t want my choices to have consequences.” Again, that’s just carrying the Retail mindset to TBC. That’s a you problem, not a game problem.
This is uncharitable to the point of dishonest. The TBCC Devs have already stated that authenticity for the sake of authenticity is no longer the preeminent design goal hence the numerous changes and alterations we’ve already received. Requesting changes is not a failure to differentiate Retail from Classic, it is in keeping with the Devs’ stated goals for TBCC moving forward.
You’ve have a point if we were still in just Classic, where authenticity for the sake of authenticity was the name of the game, but that is no longer the case.
A trip to a trainer is all it takes to recreate this right now in TBCC.
[Citation Needed]
Burden of proof is a convention, not a rule of logic, so technically anyone who wants to argue this topic has a bare minimum of proving their own position as that puts everyone at the same burden and avoids deflecting via special pleading.
For you. Different faction pally seals wasn’t a problem for me. The drums as they were in original BC weren’t a problem for me. Starting arena points at 1500 wasn’t a problem for me. Doing more than 30 dungeons a day wasn’t a problem for me. etc. What blizzard considers a problem is different than what I consider a problem and what you consider a problem. The difference is you fools think you have some insight into the mind of the devs and I know I don’t. And I know you don’t either.
And players complain now more than they ever did, and TBC’s population pales in comparison to Classic (which was much more true to #nochanges). Hence…clearly #somechanges has not been a success. All it’s done is spur on the complainers, appeased no one, and driven off a lot of purists.
Sounds like you’re saying dual spec is unnecessary. Agree.
I’m not going to repeat dozens of posts people have written. The arguments have been made in many threads. You just don’t want to hear them because they stem from the FACT that TBC was a fundamentally differently designed game and experience. So to repeat myself, the problem is some players can’t make that distinction between Retail and TBC Classic.
This is just absurd. You suggest a change, and then say the onus is on people to justify why it shouldn’t be changed? That’s not how it works. If you’re speaking of Retail, then fine. That’s a constantly changing, evolving game. A Classic version is a timestamp to the past. One doesn’t need to justify why Pokemon shouldn’t be added to the Mona Lisa.
But I tire of this. I don’t know why I’m wasting my time. After 17 years the entitled posters will never listen to reason. It’s entirely about what they personally want, and completely unable to see or even envision beyond that. And ironically enough often complain at the results of those changes. See: Retail. I can only hope the people running TBC have learned some lessons.
