Well, if you want to put it that way, both sides have given opinions.
It’s always the same: you look for a way to invalidate the factual reasons, that can be seen in terms of the social impact in the game; next, some people act triumphantly or resort to insults.
These are a few REASONS, among others.
except they say things like 99% of the players dont want rdf… show me the census that says that since the players on the forums dont indicate that. and i argue with any pro rdf’er that uses general statements like that.
anti rdf keeps claiming that rdf wasnt in until the end of wrath, yet pro rdf have actual facts to prove it was in half way through.
anti rdf claim rdf wouldnt be in it now, yet because of the patch version they started us at, pro rdf would be right that it was in based on the fact of the version numbers.
anti rdf claim the “everyone knows it ruined the game” yet pro rdf’ers can proved officially released numbers by blizzard from wrath that show subs went up after rdf not down, and interviews by devs saying they admit that “cata was the beginning of the downfal for wow’s popularity, the character class mechanics changes, changes in terrain…”
so while yes… opinions are flying on both sides, the only actual evidence that can be fact checked and proven real seems to be that which the pro rdf have provided.
You’re controlling the narrative here; pro-rdf do the same, and claim they’re the majority in and out of the forums. I’ve also explain why they might be the vocal majority in the forums.
They’re controlling the narrative as well; we have other features that weren’t there at the release of WotLK. I don’t agree with those statements.
It went up by 500k, RDF wasn’t the only feature/content that promoted that. Why aren’t you considering the 11.5mil prior RDF release? Why not analyze the possibility that RDF was a factor that contributed to that fall in subs? When you take losses as they did back then, you have to analyze every aspect of it. Sometimes, people want to attribute RDF to that push in subs, which lacks total validity, since it didn’t prevent decrease in subs.
Those are the only facts you want to accept. Why aren’t you even willing to analyze the social impacts it had? What are these checked proven real facts? All I’ve seen is “I’m not willing to put any effort into put a group together” and “LFG is empty”.
You didn’t even touch the ones I quoted.
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Not only are you invalidating other people’s experiences, but you are pushing the issue in a non-related thread. Who’s controllig the narrative?
Are you for real. They gave reasons. You don’t have to agree with them. Refutation won’t change it.
They said no. Are you adult enough to handle being told no?
I’m adult enough to express my opinion about an entertainment product I pay for.
Correct they gave bad reasons that are simply not in line with the reality of how classic is being played.
Looking at it from total time of the exp and not content releases … sure … but it was introduced later on phase 3 due to a MASSIVE content drought timewise.
It would be way too late to have realms with a tool and realms without.
Although true, it was also one of the longest content droughts to date. It was introduced after togc was out for awhile … the prior major content update to ICC
notice i said i argue with the pro rdfers about painting broad strokes as well.
not sure how you figure they are controlling the narrative. anti rdf folks claim it wasnt put in until the end of the expansion but actual FACT shows otherwise. has nothing to do with what we have now, its about their false claims as to when it was added to the original. fact is fact whether you agree or not.
i never claimed it was the only one that promoted that, but facts show it was NOT the reason wow popularity or social interaction died. theres actual FACTS released by BLIZZARD that prove that point.
this ones easy… the devs have stated it was not the cause of the fall in subs, they have flat out stated it was cata character mechanics and terrain changes that caused it and yet you are trying to spin some weird logic here to change that fact?
wrong, i have repeatedly told antirdfers to show me verifiable proof of their statements and i would consider changing my position. i have yet to see even one anti rdf provide verifiable documents of such.
no sir, im not invalidating his experience, im saying i have never seen such a thing on the same server he claims this wonderous thing happened. in a much nicer fashion that what anti rdfers have said to me when i relay the experiences ive had on several servers. Plus, if you consider his history of constant anti rdf posts, and his language and the way he treats others…its a pretty safe bet my opinion on this score is spot on.
not sure the reason why it was introduced matters in this case, it must be remembered that rdf was put in place at such a time as it was just shy of half the lifespan of the expansion it existed.
And that later lifespan was a content drought while the devs worked on cataclysm.
So you can’t take no for an answer.
That’s not how the world works. There is never a hard ‘no’. Ever. There’s always wiggle room. If you don’t realize that you haven’t lived enough yet.
We aren’t currently on patches that included dual spec, or cold weather flying. All of which are also QOL features.
Your point is pointless.
They really need to start merging these threads into one mega thread. You’re not getting RDF, that was already decided. Accept it and move on.
How did that work out for blizz when they said they are not doing classic wow? You think you want it but you don’t.
Then community kept asking for it over and over again despite being told no from blizz. Then blizz caves and adds it and it turns out they were wrong and it was very popular.
If people just took no as an answer from blizz you wouldn’t even be able to play classic wow outside of private servers.
Showed it did not hurt it when added, either.
Is that a Bill Cosby quote or something? There are absolutely hard ‘no’s. Wtf, mate.
It did hurt some social aspects in the long run. Many people have expressed that.
I grew tired of explaining, people are not willing to listen to the social impact it had in the game.
Social people are going to join guilds or make friends, anyway. Forcing people to join guilds where they is still little to no “social interaction” dosen’t help the game, either. It just runs customers off, if they can’t to content because it takes too long to get in group. A lot of people have limited time to enjoy the game they also pay for. Which now, maybe low priorty to the anti RDF peeps, until they run off enough people.
Expect in a year they will force wrath to go cata and a whole lot of people will leave, on both sides well.