I didn’t said this once, why you are lying?
So this isn’t you saying that
He’s referring to real life spiders. Real life spiders don’t have the political institution of marriage, so apparently sapient humanoid fantasy spiders aren’t allowed to either.
I was talking about them…
So whats the big issue here, that the fantasy race based on an animal doesn’t act entirely like that animal, big whoop
I’ll not make a big deal about this, i expect better but its not that bad btw. The fact is most fans are not enjoying nerubians the way they are.
Not a single character like Anubrak is the deal for me, their leaders are weak therefore they are weak.
Where is your numbers to be saying most fans
WoD cinematic: 201k likes, 7k dislikes
TWW cinematic shadows beneath: 27k likes 25k dislikes
The discrepance in unreal
thats not numbers to be saying about ansurek that data could mean any number of things
we both know the numbers would be even worse if it were specifically about her
No we don’t both know that, cause that can’t be proven
Everything about this was Suramar 2.0 all the way down the leader we hear about a whole lot but doesn’t actually do anything meaningful.
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There’s something I don’t understand about your point.
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Ansurek isn’t a great character. We can agree on that. After the Threads of Destiny cinematic (which I liked) she’s essentially a violent, monstrous tyrant with a swarm of minions. She’s mighty. She’s strong. Then we kill her, just like every other mighty villain.
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Neferess is a far more calculating and logical leader who would rather her people remain civilized and individualistic than seek power. She would rather run an efficient society than fight for greatness. She rejected the Old Gods because she saw their war as pointless and stupid.
Yet … you also DON’T like that the nerubians are civilized and have a society and personalities. You want them to be a swarm of monsters that exist to be killed. Which is what Ansurek represents.
I prefer Neferess as a character. The friendly nerubians like Arak’nai and Anub’azal represent her mindset. They’re clever and know how to manipulate allies. They don’t “swarm”, they scheme.
I think this is a good thing. It seems like you disagree.
Can you help me understand your perspective a little better?
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Maybe you understand my point this way.
What I would like to happen.
1- They should made a nerubian warrior similar to Anub’rak
2- That all Nerubians were controlled by a kind of “mind control” instead of having a generic traitor daughter
3- In the final moments of the raid, the players managed to break control over the nerubians and they rebelled against void creatures and Xal’atath
4- Nerubian warrior similar to anub’rak impaling void creatures for violating the nerubians
5- Neferess using threads again and decimating the void just like in cinematic
6- After we save the nerubians, then it makes sense for them to be our allies
That would be my script.
There are so many villains in WoW who were either corrupted or mind-controlled. It’s an incredibly generic plotline.
For instance. The nerubians in Azjol-Nerub. And Anub’arak. Who were all mind controlled by the Lich King. That’s what the scourge is. In fact the nerubians in Northrend had nearly the exact same story that you just described, only with undead instead of void creatures.
(and also the ascended nerubians can be directly controlled by Xal’atath)
Few villains actually have the agency to make their own choices. Can you explain how a traitorous daughter (a plot that hasn’t been done before in WoW IIRC) is less generic than “everybody was mind controlled/corrupted”?
I mean, I agree with you that we should’ve had more badass nerubian moments. It would’ve been cool to see Anub’azal go full Garrosh-mode on some faceless ones.
But why is this mutually exclusive from nerubians having a society? Surely they can have a complex culture while also being badass freethinking spider scholars.
insects just don’t fit human behavior for me
Its not generic because mind control implies they have no choice, Ansurek choice destroyed whole plot, it could be so much better.
The neuribans in general were completely wasted, the fact that we ally with a few of them instead of having this empire fully standard against us was stupid. Not to mention is would have been perfect to bring back the Klaxxi and Qiraji as well.
Now they are essentially a null factor in the story going forwards. Where they should have been an omni present threat all over Azeroth that we needed to fight. Have them bring back the Black empire all over the planet would have been truly threatening.
But Hey Anduin needed some villains to redeem this expac otherwise he would be utterly redundant as a character.
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I also like how that plays into how spiders work. They drew up a web and wait. Wait for unsuspecting pray to get trapped. We now have two examples of where they tried to ‘swarm’ an enemy and it failed. The War of the Spider and the conflict here in TWW.
The Mantid are in ruins following BFA. They lost their Empress and who knows if they had another one in waiting during that time. The Qiraji are gone as well. Ahn’Qiraj is a ruin, even more so after the events of a certain comic. It is why we never saw them on a large scale since classic. In TBC we had the one that the naaru imprisoned and what was left in AQ were killed in the Cata prepatch event.
And that contrasts well with the Nerubians. Nerubians rejected the Old Gods. And they did so again in BFA (as seen in the Ansurek cinematic). The Qiraji and Mantid Empires are gone. Fragments of the past. Meanwhile the Empire of Azj’kahet remained. It was declining but it remained.
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Did you know that foxes also don’t form societies neither do cow’s and yet that happens in wow
Azj’kahet didn’t exist until they made it and fleshed it out. They could have made them a far more threatening opponent if they also had them ally with qiraji and Kliaxxi empires that could have been hiding as well.
Now the Neurbians are basically done as an enemy and can’t be used again cause they are our allies now.
I fail to see what they can use as a compelling villain going into midnight. Sure Xalatath survived but she doesn’t feel threatening by herself. I really hope for the Hordes sake they don’t make a bunch of elves bad guys.