Incredulous and jaw dropping. Still no fixes.
15 - 20% Blizzard. That’s what we want.
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The most played class and spec in the game with a 20% buff? They left BM this way for the entirety of Legion. I see no reason to expect anything different. BM will never be on top of the damage rankings. My personal opinion is that it can’t be. It is already overplayed. Doing that would just force more people to it fotm style. I think the best that can be hoped for is a reverting of the 5%. I wouldn’t hold my breath though.
Nobody is asking for it to be at the top, but for a spec to be at the bottom by a wide margin is unacceptable.
A specs popularity should have absolutely 0 effect on balancing
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specs always flip flop between tiers. this tier is MM’s turn to be on top. if you wanna do damage then respec and stop whining.
In a perfect world this is the case I’m sure. In reality my guess it is does have an effect. The alternative is someone at Blizzard is purposefully keeping BM at the bottom for three years now for some sinister reason. The simplest explanation to me is it is overplayed so why would they make it the best.
Did you just start playing? BM hasn’t been competitive since Emerald Nightmare. There has been no flip flop.
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Tool is a great band.
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Mind posting on your main so we can see how mediocre you are? 20% would put BM at the top on just about every fight. Lets see that main kiddo.
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Everything was going fine until the fire nation attacked. First they took away our mana. Then they forced us to “believe” we were shooting arrows. They caused our beast to all conform to the same 3 sub-specs and took all the fun out of hunting down the perfect unique pet, all your own. Our battle rez was a short lived victory, as now it only works on the pet itself in place of it’s previous built in self battle rez. The worst part is, they’ve caused our survivalist to all stockpile and burn their ranged weapons… only allowing them to use sticks.
I’m still patiently waiting for our Avatar to show up and save us from this prison of “Herp derp, you’re mobile so you should be at the bottom.” “Duhhhhhh, you’re the most played spec… you shouldn’t be competitive.”
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20% would get us above middle for sure… 8% that was taken from us twice if I recall would get us off the bottom.
hunters never gonna be top dps. last tier bm was better and now MM is and people are too dumb to respec.
To be Frank (and Earnest, too) there’s never been any good reason for the huge disparity in class dps. Instead of worrying about who’s top why not just balance the classes within, say, 5 percent, and let skill make the final push?
Why in God’s green earth should I have to suffer with bottom feeding dps just because I like a class? Lord love a duck, it’s only math, Blizzard. If the numbers are too hard use your binary computing devices or find an old TI pocket calculator. Stop being stupid so we can stop complaining.
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BM is interesting right now. Revolves around maintaining the three stack flurry buff. It’s pretty fun to play, just crappy damage.
What they need to do is redesign survival again, it’s a hot mess. Three of the four attacks you use for single target are ranged. Doesn’t make any sense. Legion survival was chaotic, but at least it was fun and actually had a few melee abilities you were supposed to use. This one has you shooting crossbows in point blank range and throwing bombs on people right next to you. It doesn’t even have the emphasis on traps like it used to, which was one of the fun things about survival. It’s like the spec fantasy is having no purpose and being confused about what it wants to be.
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Revert to WoD. AoE nature DOTting the Workshop stack in Isle of Conquest was great.
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Survival was super unplayable in wod, at least for what I saw of the expansion as I ended up unsubbing for a bit; I think you might mean go back to MoP where it truly shined. I still am not a fan of this entirely melee iteration.
Blizz needs to revert that double nerf we ate at the start of bfa tbh… we got a flat 5% nerf and then they nerfed our best traits with no compensation and we fell hard. I know one spec always has to be bottom but there’s no reason for such a vast difference in between the ranks. I played beast mastery all through mythic antorus with the exception of eonar (pets couldn’t hit bats for majority of their pathing) and high command where I used a trolly meme cleave build for mm. I have never enjoyed marksman in the 7 years I’ve played hunter… it’s why I had to quit for like most of WoD because I couldn’t compete without playing it. I still think my damage is ok as bm but honestly we’ve never scaled very well and if we don’t get some help soon and it falls into complete unviability I might be quitting again… or swapping to monk in which case I’ll have to find a new guild since I’m not benching our healers and we’ve got too many.
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I know what you mean, but having ranged damage is a major selling point of the spec. Doubling down on melee may help the current identity be more coherent, true, but it would cost the only real mechanical selling point over the specs over other melee specs (high proportion of ranged damage). Ask yourself if that would help the spec or hurt it. Having a mess of an identity like Survival is bad, but gameplay shortcomings are way more noticeable and problematic.
Plus, Legion Survival also had a pretty incoherent identity.
It was unplayable after 6.2 but only in PvE. Before 6.2 it was very capable in raids. In Highmaul it was the dominant DPS spec over the whole game (actually surpassing its MoP levels) and it was still good through BRF; Method took a couple SV Hunters to their Blackhand world first (which is the last time Survival ever saw a world first, by the way).
It remained good in PvP for the entire expansion, even after 6.2; at least in the forms of PvP which didn’t allow the legendary ring cooldown.
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Great addition to the topic, more pruning!
so stupid that people still think like this.
a 20% buff is a lot to ask for but even a 15% buff wouldnt be unreasonable, looking at the statistics (im talking about actual achieved numbers, not sims). at the highest levels of play demo and shadow are a solid 33% ahead of bm, but i dont see anyone calling for a reversion to all the shadow buffs they did when shadow was only middle of the pack.
part of it is that this tier happens to favor classes that can multidot, but i mean look at demo – its sailing ahead because of triple stacking EP which basically means theyre perma-lusted. nobody sees a problem with that? really?
granted things like m+ also have to be taken into account so they obviously can just flip a switch and suddenly make bm do more damage across the board, but a 20% buff to, say, kill command or maybe actually making barbed shot do meaningful damage wouldnt be too much to ask.
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man just think if hunters somehow had a spec that could dot or cleave
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It is sad that a pure DPS class gets out done by multi spec classes that bring more than just damage to the group … I only get into mythics if they have no one in the group for hero…because all other classes bring more to the table than mediocre damage
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