Another M+ Leaver Thread Let's Gooooooo

I’m gonna lay out my goals for this thread right away.

I don’t want this to be a complaining thread. I know and wholeheartedly agree that its insanely frustrating to have someone decide that the key is now over and throw away a half hour or more of playtime for five people including themselves and all you get for your time and effort is repair costs and a downleveled keystone. I want to talk about why blizzard hasn’t put in any actual consequences for key leavers and brainstorm potential solutions to this system that creates so much toxicity and dissatisfaction between players

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I am not interested in hearing from forum monkeys that want us all to know they totally carry every key and eat 25’s for breakfast and any time we are not happy while playing a video game is because we are simply bad at the video game, unlike them of course, and instead should just consider uninstalling or something

If you fit at all into either of the above categories, then this thread is not for you. Please find another topic to comment on as a sign of mutual respect.

Now to get into it, I think that there should be some sort of system in place that either protects a key from being downgraded if someone bails or punishes people that habitually leave keys. The biggest problem that I see is that blizzard is capable but they aren’t willing. Solutions do exist, but they’d either be worse for the game or aren’t worth the effort in blizzards eyes. The reason for that is because there’s no realistic way to automate such a system.

I don’t think its a good idea to make it so that bailing on a key automatically punishes you. Sometimes keys are just doomed and you don’t wanna be there anymore and you don’t wanna waste your time. Making a rule about needing the timer to deplete would just have people AFK’ing, auto running into walls, repeatedly dying on purpose to run out the clock, any kind of degenerate way to get them out of the key faster so they don’t get punished as a leaver. Sure, blizzard could punish THAT kinda behavior, but I doubt they would be willing to put in some kind of system where they have a guy to sit there and look at some sort of log of the key to review what happened and dole out punishments. That is probably never happening in a million years.

People gotta understand that any rule that blizzard puts in, the problem players that have bad attitudes and habitually leave to ruin your keys are 100% going to do EVERYTHING in their power to skirt that rule and keep leaving keys, meaning the rules would have to either be so strict and rigid that we’d all hate it or they’d be pretty soft and not fully keep people from leaving.

I don’t think the issue can ever be “solved” in the way that people stop bailing on keys partway through cuz they got upset they died or they’re mad at someone else in the group for whatever reason. I think its more realistic to mitigate instead. Perhaps prematurely leaving a certain number of keys in a week, 3-4 or so, gets your account locked from doing keys for the rest of that week. If you get locked again later in the season, you’re locked from keys account wide for the rest of the season. If you get locked next season you’re just banned from the game because you clearly have a problem and can’t handle it. Don’t like it? Solution is easy, just stop leaving keys. If you literally cannot prevent yourself from joining groups, getting mad that strangers on the internet don’t play perfectly, then deliberately clicking the leave button, I think the proposed system would be perfect for you. Literal self correcting problem.

Habitual leavers would no longer have complete impunity to just ditch groups as much as they want whenever they want. It would still happen, no doubt about it. Just hopefully less. You also wouldn’t get instant punished if you DC or you get a truly doomed/toxic key and you want out. Nobody DC’s that much in a week, and if you say you do then I think you’re lying and making excuses. Fix your internet before you play more video games my guy. I believe something like this is a compromise because neither side of it will be completely happy. Thank you for reading my rant, if you did.

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You bring up some interesting point, and I think the consequences you suggest for leavers is a bit too harsh. Just a couple of minutes ago, I had the tank leave my m+ group with no explanation whatsoever. The most frustrating part for me is my key depleted because one person decided to leave the group. So, I think the way Blizzard can solve this issue is to get rid of key deletion.

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people can leave a key whenever they want to - don’t need blizzard to treat us like children, so hard pass on your “solution”.

anyway, i’m sure the leaver(s) has a valid reason to do so, if a player is running into this issue regularly. There’s LOTS of skill issues going on in PUGS…nobody has time for that
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This only punishes people who actually play the game more than the weekly vault fillers. People who play more will run into more issues. This also will open the door to trolling and greifing. People will AFK, cause wipes, or stop trying until someone else leaves. You even said it earlier, yet you still suggest something that will undoubtfully be abused and punish innocent players or keep them hostage.

How is the game going to know the difference from someone cutting off their wifi intentionally vs actually having connection issues?

It’s entirely ironic that your rant focuses entirely on leavers and not on why they are leaving. People don’t leave keys that are going well.

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If your wifi cuts off that consistently you’re either a liar or should prioritize fixing that connection instead of continuing to ruin people’s keys. Self correcting problem.

I totally agree that it is harsh. I think it needs to be. At some point there has to be a consequence to get people to stay in keys because right now there’s none at all. I could spend all day just joining keys and waiting for the timer to start and then leave. I’ll never get in trouble and that’s bs.

That doesn’t answer the question. There is no way Blizzard will be able to distinguish the difference, which means it is entirely not enforceable.

Hahahahahaha. I refuse to believe this isn’t bait. That’s great.

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It does answer the question actually, because other competitive games have similar policies that are implemented very successfully. This is leaderboard content after all, and if your connection can’t consistently be solid enough to complete a key then simply fix it so you don’t deliberately ruin a key

why is that hard for you to comprehend?

It doesn’t answer the question.

Which means you are going to punish innocent players.

Why is it so hard for you to comprehend that only certain players experience leavers frequently enough to be a problem. This is not some widespread issue that is plaguing everyone. It’s not RNG either.

Instead of trying to force people to play with you, hold them hostage, or carry you. You should focus on understanding why they are leaving. Like I said before, people do not leave keys that are going well.

Someone didn’t read the start of my post. And you’re a clown that thinks I’m oppressive and unreasonable for believing that you should have solid internet before attempting M+ lol

You must have less problem solving skills than a literal bird and you cant discern that if you DC out of keys too much, the game shouldn’t let you keep doing keys

Or if you leave them a lot, you shouldn’t be allowed to do more

I did read it. You are the clown who is trying to stop people from speaking who disagrees with you so you can have some sort of manufactured echo chamber.

You are a clown because everything you presented will punish innocent players, punish players who play more than weekly vault fillers, and still result in greifing and trolling to avoid punishments.

I’m not the one who runs into leavers frequently and can’t understand why.

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You answered your own question, weekly vault filler. Thank you for your time lol

Except that’s completely inaccurate lmao. One tiny glance would show you that’s not true especially in past seasons. It’s hilarious that you can’t ever address the points I’m bringing up and all you can do is go for these pathetic attempts at jabbing.

No you’re just doing the forum monkey behavior that I specifically requested you not do

You’re probably one of the people that would get banned by my suggestion cuz you spend a night or two each week dropping out of key after key until you get a perfectly smooth run

so you’re upsetti spaghetti and not used to being backsassed either

No, you only stated that because you can’t handle any sort of disagreement. You are the one who started with the attacks. You legit can’t handle it so you tried to manufacture an echo chamber.

You must be new here.

That is so false I don’t know where to start. I don’t randomly leave keys.

I most certainly am very used to seeing you try to ruin every thread you show up in.

This is completely irrelevant to what I said in response to you. Can you seriously not even keep up? You said I am not used to being “backsassed”. I replied saying you must be new here.

Your response, if anything, completely contradicts your earlier statement.

well considering you’re throwing a fit and complaining about how mean I’m being instead of employing the obvious solution of, ya know, leaving the thread like you leave keys

I think you must be the one that’s newer

LOL. I am the one throwing a fit? You the one here throwing jabs and insults and can’t actually hold a debate or stay on topic long enough to come up with a rebuttal.

I don’t even leave keys. I already explain this to you. Must be hard to comprehend for someone like you.

I’m just replying to you so the thread has replies and traction, so you’re helping a lot