Saying “I think it was a win” doesn’t make it a win. She blew apart her own city as part of a trap to try to kill Alliance leaders. Her failing to do so doesn’t make it a win for the Alliance, it just means the Alliance didn’t get utterly annihilated, only butchered a good bit.
A “win” would’ve been the Alliance forcing the Horde to evacuate completely, with no “haha caught u in my traps!!!1!!!1” garbage to make sure the Horde still gets to one-up the Alliance.
I guess you are just trolling, since I brought up Teldrassil and you still do not recognize it as a win for the Horde, therefore making Lorederon as a tie. Well actually a lost, since the Alliance did not gain Lorederon.
Sylvanas burnt down Teldrassil and then blighted Lorederon. So, basically calling it a tie is a lie to itself. It is a win for the Horde.
arguing with 3 ppl and you all get salty if i miss 1 point. Just simmer down im trying, its a lot to sift through
Telrassil was a win for the horde (up front) and if you are saying that by trading cities it becomes a tie then yes, i will agree with that statement
This i dont agree with
Oh fine; I totally retract.
Death to the Horde and exile for any survivors!
(grumbles) what ya get for trying to be NICE
Well at least we agree that it was a tie then.
Is that hard to understand ? . We (as Alliance) can not continue letting the horde do what ever they want when ever they want . We need for real a good retaliation against the horde , so they cant do this madness for the THIRD TIME . . . THIRD !!!.
Is not about anymore of :" the horde has another bad warchief , we need to fight together against him" . Is about : " the horde was dumb again picking a warchief and we (alliance) are not gonna suffer because of that , so interment camp prisoners for those who followed Sylvanas".
No it’s not. You quoted something that’s not there. Then you said the last 10 pages imply your non-existent quote, but there’s nothing there that suggests the majority were in the tree.
Maybe you should re-read it.
I wouldn’t even go so far as to say Lordaeron made it a tie.
Teldrassil and the other Night Elf regions were completely and utterly decimated. The Night Elves that survived were the ones that evacuated, because nothing was left in the Horde’s wake.
We didn’t totally destroy the Horde defenses and leave the city a smoldering pit as a result of our own actions. Sylvanas blighted her own troops, killed as many Alliance troops as possible, attempted to butcher the Alliance’s leaders in a backhanded trap, and destroyed her own city.
All the Alliance got was the opportunity to try [and fail] and save civilians from a horrible death as their city burned down around them.
Doesn’t matter.
Blizzard is blaming everything on Sylvanas and the story is once again trying to show Horde is not evil and you should forgive them.
Sylvanas will die.
There is no way in hell she is going to live after this.
I didn’t quote.
I made a reference.
Learn the difference.
Did i ever say you guys don’t have it bad? There is no such thing as faction bias, blizzard just want’s us to think there is because the more energy we waste on each other the less we can complain about them. You guys shouldn’t have had to fight Delaryn and Sira (which was a lore retcon, as Valkyr shouldn’t even be able to raise the night elven corpses) while the horde should not have to kill every single named forsaken that exist.
Look at Undercity as a prime example of blizzard manipulating the fanbase against itself. Undercity was an alliance win in any logical setting, you destroyed the hordes biggest industrial complex and most fortified city in the Eastern Kingdoms, effectively shutting down most of the war effort on that continent, but since sylvanas destroyed the city and you didn’t kill her blizzard claimed it was a horde victory, despite the fact it obviously was not one.
Neither side has a good story, but blizzard is directing our anger at each other instead of them. If both sides hate what’s happening, why do we fight one another? Because blizzard told us to and tell us the issue we have are all each others fault despite the fact the players lack all agency in this. The alliance playerbase isn’t why we horde players are revolting, much like how the horde playerbase isn’t why teldrassil burnt. But Blizzard, the ones responsible for these action, get away scot free.
True. We did get the raw end of the deal when it came to a enemy army came in and never left.
Show me the reference then. Somewhere in the last 10 pages is all you’ll say, but I read it. Nothing suggests what you’re arguing for.
Maybe we should ask the writers to stop writing the same repetitive tripe time and time again
I think youll find many Horde players (myself included) are pretty disgusted doing this over and over and over
And she failed. The undercity was lost because the alliance marched on it, she tried to salvage the situation by setting a trap and it failed
Ive acknowledged the overwhelming horde victory at Teldrassil
And what am I arguing for?
I have no idea what is going on in that little head of yours.
We think the same about garrosh . . . he didnt die in MOP so . . . idk.
Well to be honest. Sylvanas and the Horde did destroy Teldrassil. So it was not really a win that we kicked them out of the Lorederon, since she destroyed it to kill the Alliance leaders.
Right he died in the next expansion.
She didn’t try to salvage the situation. The traps were set beforehand. She failed to kill the Alliance leaders, but didn’t fail to butcher its armies.
If you fail to see what she accomplished, I can’t help you there.
And you want to set Lordaeron as a tie.
It isn’t. It never was meant to be, and Blizzard specifically did not write it that way. The assault on Lordaeron was the Alliance retaliating while on its back foot and getting knocked down for its efforts.
Let’s see, you claimed the majority of the elves burned in the tree. Remember that? Then you said the story bears this out, but you won’t tell us what or where.